Trump booed at World Series

[Dill]

(10-30-2019, 03:41 AM)hollodero Wrote: And it's possibly more irony (or mockery) than anything - as I said there are nuances, and I do not equate the two groups 1:1 - but in a certain context that does not matter too much. It's not just about what it is with all nuances - it's also about how it's percieved. Every person on the fence of leaving Trump becaue of his and his supporter's conduct now has a reason to reiterate that they are all the same left or right... and it sure might look like that to such a person, does it not?

"Possibly more irony (or mockery)" is not a small detail. Nor is the degree of evident criminality in each case.

I doubt very much that someone about to leave the Trump camp will hear the chants and just think "both sides do it." Even they will understand the chants as a spontaneous reaction to "the guy who started it." Not a ritual cementing of coached mob-hatred again and again and again in every state in the Union except Alaska and Hawaii, led by the highest representative of the nation.  Same for the protestors who shouted "lock him up" at Mike Flynn, another leader of the Hillary chant. Irony.

But yes, there will be people want the 1:1 equation for sure--those rationalizing their decision to remain with Trump, or to continue bashing anti-Trumpers. The Trump defense has always worked via equivocation, the elision of "small details"--like degree of criminality and ironic reframing--that make all the difference.  If I'm a Trump defender making that equivalence, and people are trying to reintroduce balance via small details, I'll cast that as a double standard and "typical left hypocrisy" and insist it's "the same whoever does it."