2020 Presidential Election

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(03-05-2020, 04:18 PM)BmorePat87 Wrote: I understand the negotiation tactic, but what I said was that the other side knowing that you don't expect your first offer to be realistic means the first offer won't be treated as genuine. 

If I know that I could get $55k, then, yes, I should ask for $60k. I shouldn't tell everyone that I am going to ask for $90k when they're offering $50k and then expect them to meet me at $70k. 

Well, it all depends on what number value you give each position in this theoretical comparison. If Medicare for all = 90k counter offer to Republicans, I could argue that Medicare for all who want it is the equivalent of an 85k counter offer.

They're not going to give you that either.

So what is the real world equivalent of 60k and what is the real world equivalent of 55k?

If you're asking me to honestly assess what I think negotiating with Republicans is actually like, it'd be more like:

R: We'll offer you $50k (real world equivalent of our current system).
D: I'll accept $60k (real world equivalent of...let's say passing a law for negotiating prices with drug companies)
R: We'll offer you $50k. If you don't take it, then we'll reduce our offer to $40k (real world equivalent of removing whatever remaining regulations exist, making it even worse).

So maybe our starting point doesn't even really matter as long as Mitch leads the Senate.\

Trying to appease the unreasonable is basically how Democrats have been managing the Republicans for the last...several decades. And I'm just kind of sick of it haha.

Look no further than Merrick Garland.

He was the 55k counter offer. The "offer that you can't refuse."

And Mitch still ignored it.

We're not dealing with rational human beings right now, so why cater to them?

(03-05-2020, 04:22 PM)BmorePat87 Wrote: WaPo's exit polls

https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/politics/exit-polls-2020-super-tuesday-primary/

One thing I will say about the poll you posted is that asking a question like that for complicated policies misses the wide range of nuances and it makes you ask what "somewhat support" truly means. If I agree with allowing everyone to have the option for Medicare but not the requirement, I may say I "somewhat support" it. 

That's a fair distinction in regards to "somewhat support."


Healthcare is such a complicated issue it's impossible to reduce it down to a single question.  I'm just disappointed in the showing on Tuesday and am venting a little bit :).