05-21-2020, 03:06 PM
(05-21-2020, 11:03 AM)bfine32 Wrote: They really should require a prescription for this drug. Instead of just letting the president say "take it" and killing everyone.
So people are prescribed hydroxychloroquine IAW with the recommendations like Trump's doctor? Oh, wait. Trump's doctor didn't follow the recommendations. Or he lied about not following the recommendations.
So just go to your doctor and demand a prescription against recommendations just like Trump did.
Quote:I've heard there are ongoing clinical trials to determine if hqc is effective in combating COVID and has been prescribed to some that are hospitalized with the illness. Hell, I've heard some hospitals are having doctors prescribe it instead of POTUS.
I know you're aware of the prescribing recommendations because I just gave them to you last night. I also know you're aware providers shouldn't write prescriptions for medications when the known risks outweigh any unproven benefit because I told you that last night, also. And I also know you know the difference between treatment and prophylaxis because I educated you on that last night, also. So stop pretending like you haven't been educated.
Quote:There's also this:
https://www.ny1.com/nyc/all-boroughs/news/2020/05/12/nyu-study-looks-at-hydroxychloroquine-zinc-azithromycin-combo-on-decreasing-covid-19-deaths
1) From your source, "Meanwhile, a study in the Journal of the American Medical Association on Monday found that treating patients only with hydroxychloroquine, azithromycin, or both did not reduce hospital deaths."
So at best the studies are conflicting which means the treatment isn't proven to help.
2) That is an observation study which means, "And he cautioned that more research is needed - in particular a randomized controlled trial - to prove how and how well the drug combination works."
Trump started touting hydroxychloroquine based upon a French study with 26 test subjects in which every patient that got worse or died was excluded from the results. If you exclude everyone who didn't improve, gets what the results show? It works. So that's a shitty study that people are using to claim the test results are inconclusive so maybe Trump will get a placebo effect.
Quote:You may have written it off, put apparently some "stupid" healthcare professionals continue to study it.
Wow, you're so desperate to defend Trump you're willing to totally misrepresent what I wrote.
1) It's stupid to write a prescription for a medication with potentially fatal side effects when it isn't proven to have a benefit for a specific condition. Especially in light of the numerous recommendations of medical professional organizations and government health organizations that specifically deal with the safe prescribing of medications.
2) I never wrote it is stupid to study hydroxychloroquine's effectiveness. But, we need to do so responsibly due to the risks associated with that medication. That's why numerous organizations have made the recommendations that currently guide its use.
3) I haven't written it off. My mind is open to its use. What will change my mind relative to what I currently know, the available evidence from various studies, and the recommendations of numerous professional and government health agencies is . . . EVIDENCE.
Evidence will change my mind.
Quote:BLUF: Many are blowing this out of proportion for one reason only. We can argue back and forth for pages or we can accept that simple fact.
I've already conceded this is because of Trump. We haven't had a president this dishonest and/or stupid to continually push a drug's use to the public against medical advice. He's a snake oil salesman pushing a snake oil. I'd expect nothing less from the founder of Trump University.
On the flip side, you're defending Trump for the same reason you claim is the source of the outrage; Trump.