07-04-2020, 11:01 AM
(07-03-2020, 08:24 PM)bfine32 Wrote: The rules I must follow in response to COVID are set by my Governor and employer. I wonder how many other states are like this.
Your condescension is noted. But please don't try to explain the value of the US Soldier to me.
(07-03-2020, 09:45 PM)bfine32 Wrote: I don't blame any one person for the COVID numbers. I get that may be hard to fathom, but it's how I view it. I cannot fathom how some can say: "The POTUS could have protected us".
I have made my thoughts on the bounties known, but how do you have undisputed truth that Trump ignored them. Because an anonymous source told the NYT?
Of course there's condescension in your posts, but as I said: It's easy to do from the outside.
(07-03-2020, 10:22 PM)bfine32 Wrote: You still didn't share the proof of where Trump knew about and ignored bounties. If you think I'd just go off on a tangent because Hills was in charge then you most likely do not know my stance on Bengahzi and how I was not as "outraged" as every other conservative.
Are you really trying to suggest Trump is getting a "pass" on COVID by "everyone"? If anything folks are trying to place extra blame on him.And you have to see that.
(07-03-2020, 11:10 PM)bfine32 Wrote: Answer this simple question and we can leave it at that,
Do you think Donald Trump is receiving more blame than he deserves or less in regards to the COVID Pandemic.
(07-03-2020, 11:53 PM)bfine32 Wrote: To blame POTUS to the extreme that many do, you have to assert that folks cannot think for themselves. He's POTUS, he's not King, he's not the Divine Rule, he's not God. He's a politician that has shared his thoughts on a pandemic while mandating nothing.
This is probably going to be a hard one for you and other liberals to answer, but:
What should have POTUS mandated federally?
(07-04-2020, 08:16 AM)hollodero Wrote: My dear fellow board member, you can not quite reduce everything to this question and pretend this explains away anything or is any kind of summation of what I had to say. So no, we can not leave it at that. You can if you choose. It's your country and your conscience, sure.
To your question, Donald Trump, like every other president, gets ctitizised plenty, on any topic, and there is always some critizism that is unfair. Again, this does not mean or prove anything.
(07-04-2020, 09:06 AM)bfine32 Wrote: He held daily briefings with medical experts telling folks what they should do, but he's tro blame bedcause he didn't urge people to wear a mask, he let them decide for themselves. You'll just have to be aghast if you think my priorities are wrong by asserting that is less important than keeping liberal judges off the Supreme Court.
Now you can think that it would be wiser to have a national shutdown of "non-essential" businesses and force everyone to wear a mask than it is to defer to the Governor of each state to determine what is best for his/her state, but I'll view it as otherwise.
(07-04-2020, 09:44 AM)bfine32 Wrote: Well then Trump shouldn't piss you off because he doesn't tell folks to do one thing and then doesn't do it himself in this case.
As I said: I understand why the Liberal wants to make this Trump's fault, just as I can understand the conservative trying to downplay it. At the end of the day we have one person to hold responsible for our safety and that of our family and it's not some orange-haired guy that resides in a big white house.
I strongly believe folks should mask when they cannot socially distance. My family and I have not visited with anyone outside of our pod for 4 months. We've not been to a restaurant, bar, or other social gathering. I haven't had a haircut in 4 months. We have a hand sanitation station set up at every entrance to our house.
I merely took issue with the assertion that folks who think the appointment of Supreme Court Justices is not as important as Donald Trump telling me I should wear a mask. I'm all grown up I can my my own choices.
(07-04-2020, 10:43 AM)bfine32 Wrote: What you read was 2 pages of 2 people with differing views having a civil discussion. Hollo seems to think it all starts at the top and I think it's more about personal responsibility.
I've stated numerous times that I have defended Trump; mostly due to his station than his character. Where things go sideways is when folks chime in with nothing to add to the discussion other than to slur other's opinions and use something asserted in another subject to apply it to the current thread.
"personal responsibility" carrying a heavy load here. Trump failed to lead. And many people failed to listen to the science and the experts because of what Trump told them. He is not a "king" but he IS the POTUS and his words and actions carry weight. Refusing to wear a mask, insisting it will go away, praising the "blue" states and cities that did nothing or reopened early or attacking the "red" city and states that were hit ard...all of that is failure of leadership and goes well beyond "we can make our own choices".
If the President had presented a unified voice with the science on this we would be miles ahead of where we are as a country. That is on Trump and only Trump.
If he let's Fauci and the other doctors and scientists speak without making each presser into a min-rally to talk about how great the economy was before it all happened, if Trump had said to follow the CDC guidelines and not encouraged states to open early, if he had done even JUST that and people still didn't listen then he gets a pass. But DJT actively encouraged bad behavior through his words and actions.
So anyone saying he gets "too much" criticism isn't paying attention or is blindly partisan.
He's the President. It would be nice if he had acted like it.
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