07-04-2020, 04:01 PM
(07-04-2020, 03:41 PM)hollodero Wrote: Well, ok then. You sure are aware that it does in no way boil down to "Trump telling or not telling you to wear a mask", that it is about way more than just that, and hence your way to put it is a bit of a cheap rhetorical figure.Well you did mention "or fear AOC" in the comment I replied to and I chose to ignore that as cheap rhetoric. So we can both be guilty.
But ok, the way I see it I asked to check priorities and you apparently did. For the life of me I will never understand how you can reach the conclusions you reach, because the list of Trump failures is long and scary and you actually disputed none of the points made. I'm angry I forgot "trashing the Obama plan for fighting a pandemic and then trashing Obama for not having left a plan", but that's what Trump does, produce so many failures you can't possibly remember and list them all.
And only for you saying "well the left and the right", this is imho a sad way to look at things. There is a reality beyond the left and the right. And in this reality, it does not boil down to "the left says this, the right says that and the truth is somewhere in the middle". This is just another rhetorical figure that does not stand the test of reality. The reality is within Bels posts, and breech's posts, and my posts, the reality is Trump failure on so many levels, and these are loads of objective Trump failures you can not possibly explain away.
Please this time also do not use the trick of simply ignoring most points made, reducing everything to one question you pose and then only accept one "correct" answer that proves you were right all along. Since you are willing to help other users find their way, let me point out that particular discussion-averse trait.
I take my stance because I know where the true power lies and it's not in Executive policy decisions. We are a Nation of Checks and balances. Every Governor in this nation could have mandated all the cool things that have been suggested. Trump constantly said he defers to the state Governors, even though he disagreed with many; like that one whose husband was "just playing" when he tried to put his boat in the lake. He also disputed the "heard mentality" when it was a batted around option.
Here's the dirty truth. Over half this Nation hates Trump. Polls show that folks are going for Biden not because they like Biden, but because they dislike Trump. So his saying "don't wear masks' meant absolutely nothing to them; hell, it was probably more helpful than him saying wear masks. Furthermore the vast majority of Americans that don't hate Trump are bright enough to take a medical professional's guidance over a real estate mogul. So even if you consider there is a population that Trump put at risk by what he said and failed to do; then I assert that population is small are Darwin may come into play.
I agree with a mandatory 14 day quarantine if positive. Is that something we want to mandate by federal law? I know in my state it was "recommended" and when the one dude in Bardstown tested positive and decided he wasn't going to quarantine the cops helped him see otherwise.
To simply look at one side of the coin is narrow-minded in my opinion. Federally mandated all the things you and others may have saved a few lives, but it very well could have killed the biggest economy, by far, in the world.
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