07-31-2020, 10:22 AM
(07-30-2020, 03:16 PM)hollodero Wrote: Yeah that's what we thought as well. From experience in my home country - and I get that this is easily dismissable, but still - I am quite sure you're wrong on that account though. I hope I am wrong, but I'm afraid Trumpism is here to stay. Most people don't turn back to being moderate and reasonable once they went the Trump way of conspiracy and hatred. (Sure that is just my take of what Trumpism is.)
- I mean, you don't think Democrats could ever revert back from radical ideas, why would you think Trump-friendly conservatives would.
Because there aren't that many real Trump disciples in the GOP. The party tried tooth and nail to prevent him from getting the nomination. Once that became inevitable they made the best of the situation. I'm honestly surprised how many people don't see this, the Trump/GOP alliance is one of convenience only and ends the minute Trump is out of the White House. As I've pointed out several times, and no one has even attempted to refute, the GOP platform has remain largely unchanged for several decades. The difference in the Democratic party is that this change is a grassroots one and only shows signs of growing. One need look no further than the current protests and the Dem response to see it.
Quote:OK, this is obviously a ridiculous proposal. And I am willing to see those instances not just as totally isolated singulary incidents, but in general I still have to agree with Dill on that one. This person on a city council is hardly emblematic of the whole Democratic party, and a whole city council wouldn't be. As soon as this enters the national debate constantly and some actual party bigshots start to reflect such proposals, I will concede the point willingly. As of now though, the sample size appears too small to prove a takeover of the democratic party by radicals.
And neither is the lack of pushback. The Dems try hard to appear united and not lose their focus and energy by fighting within their own ranks. Which might be a questionable approach for sure, but I feel there's not really a deeper meaning to that silence.
Like I said, we'll see. The entire west coast is more like this woman than the party as a whole, as you put it. This isn't going away and it isn't going to stop. In fact, if they win in November they will take it as a sign that this is a winning formula instead of realizing it was just trying to get rid of Trump.
Quote:Such examples imho seem to be akin to calling the GOP undermined by anti-intellectualism for they have someone like Gohmert (and others) within their ranks, or by white supremacy because there's Steve King.
On this I couldn't disagree more. King is one man, he's like a modern day Jessie Helms. The radical left is light years more prevalent than this. As Bel has stated, my view on this may be skewed by living in CA, but seeing as how CA holds an enormous amount of political power I think that argument rather works against itself.
Quote:Very often, yes.
To be fair though, non GOP leaning voters often have faulty judgment too. Trump is just a kind of extreme the left leaning electorate, as of now, did not resort to on a national level.
As I said earlier, Dill's posts in this regard eerily resemble exactly what he's attempting to argue against, a "I'm right and your wrong" and "only stupid people would think that way" sort of mentality.
