2020 Election

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(07-31-2020, 10:22 AM)Sociopathicsteelerfan Wrote: Because there aren't that many real Trump disciples in the GOP.  The party tried tooth and nail to prevent him from getting the nomination.  Once that became inevitable they made the best of the situation.

Did they though?
Is turning all blind and deaf to all the nefarious things Trump does, says and implies, is turning into a bunch of sycophants that use congressional hearings as a platform to incoherently rant and spout wild conspiracies to divert from presidential misdeeds, that dare not speak up at the wildest of occasions, still relentlessly attack all his critics, and the media, and take over Trump's fake news narrative, have nothing to say when Barr just replaces all state attourneys that could harm Trump world, touts the Russia hoax narrative, lets convicted Trump friends off the hook; that have nothing to say when a president claims he can do whatever he wants and actually goes to court on that grounds, is all that really making the best of the situation?
My answer is no, btw. :) I really should let it go at this point, but I can't. This party now attacks Liz Cheney, a sycophant anyhow, for saying something supportive of Fauci. She is anti-Trump by praising the expert, they say, that cannot stand, you have to be 100% behind your leader who attacks said expert for saying unconvenient truths. You have to 100% support the guy that goes out there pretty much every day to spout falsehoods, false hopes, bogus medicine, distorted numbers, mindboggingly stupid claims and interpretations, to shamelessly self-praise, shamelessly slander anyone that disagrees with said lies and falsehoods about an epidemic that ravages the country. That is what the GOP does now, and that is making the best of the situation? Still no.

Aside from that strong point, I agree that I do not "blame" the GOP for the election of Trump, but those that elected him in said primaries. Which weren't that few people to begin with and are the new main power bloc within the party. And obviously they are, they got Trump elected and their votes hold the sword of Damocles over all the senators governors etc. still.

(07-31-2020, 10:22 AM)Sociopathicsteelerfan Wrote:   I'm honestly surprised how many people don't see this, the Trump/GOP alliance is one of convenience only and ends the minute Trump is out of the White House.  As I've pointed out several times, and no one has even attempted to refute, the GOP platform has remain largely unchanged for several decades.

What do you mean by GOP platform? Because I really feel I should refute that. And the one thing I feel you are totally underestimating is that even after Trump is gone, McConnell or whoever might just turn away on a dime at first, but the electorate is not quite that flexible. Those folks are used to their dosage of Trumpism and they won't do without it. Is what I feel, also is what I experienced. Just as a small example, who do most Trump supporters hate almost as passionately as liberals? RINOs.
This is right-wing populism, it appears, it grows, it doesn't go away. Imho, sure.

(07-31-2020, 10:22 AM)Sociopathicsteelerfan Wrote: On this I couldn't disagree more.  King is one man, he's like a modern day Jessie Helms.  The radical left is light years more prevalent than this.  As Bel has stated, my view on this may be skewed by living in CA, but seeing as how CA holds an enormous amount of political power I think that argument rather works against itself.  

I see your point, but still, that imho illustrates the power of perception. Sure one can say King is just one man, just as one city council member is just one woman. You rightfully say there's way more to the woman, but the same is true about "Kingism". One might think of Arpaio, of Roy Moore, maybe Jeff Sessions, maybe Stephen Miller... there are quite a few names... and last not least, maybe Donald Trump, the actual president and self declared party leader. This is not that unreasonable, to see some racist tendencies and dubious undertones (at best) with Trump that he often openly shouts to cheering crowds. You can't persuade me it's not a prevalent notion within GOP events, in some instances at least. In others, not so much, which objectively is true in both examples.
And for Gohmert, this examples carries even wider and it also includes Donald Trump, the anti-intellectual president. Imho that's one of the worst traits a party can have and I have to percieve the GOP widely as such these days. This is also "modern" and that it's a social media effect might not be that much of an exaggeration.

Are you right on the left, am I right on the right... yeah I honestly don't know. I percieve your view as one-sided is all.

(07-31-2020, 10:22 AM)Sociopathicsteelerfan Wrote: As I said earlier, Dill's posts in this regard eerily resemble exactly what he's attempting to argue against, a "I'm right and your wrong" and "only stupid people would think that way" sort of mentality.

I have no issue with Dill, I have no issue with you, I don't see that as overly problematic and don't care either way. But since you brought that up I want to be honest enough to state that I do not percieve Dill as particualrly worse than you in that regard. I feel that, often more or less unintentionally, just at times comes with argueing and having a strong position.