2020 Election

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(08-17-2020, 11:55 PM)Sociopathicsteelerfan Wrote: That's a good question.  Largely because I respect the Framers vision, that we are a collection of states with largely independent, but wholly dependent governments.  The Senate exists as it does for this exact reason, to guard against the tyranny of the majority.  You see many leftists tout the rule of the majority now, but would have reviled it during the age of segregation or opposition to same sex marriage.  As Franklin stated, democracy is two wolves and a sheep deciding what to have for dinner.  Popular rule is a good and desireable thing, most of the time.  When it isn't it as vile and reprehensible as any government.  

The tyranny of the majority sounds odd for an election in a democracy... but actually I get what you say. What I do not get is why the EC is connected with states' rights. Imho these two issues inherently don't have to do anything with each other. The one is about picking the president, the other is about what he can do. Separate.

(08-17-2020, 11:55 PM)Sociopathicsteelerfan Wrote: Because it's not sustainable, our system doesn't allow it.

How'd you say, I'm constantly intrigued by this notion. Because you don't know that. Also, if the system were failproof, you wouldn't need an armed populace to avoid tyranny in the first place :) - And it probably always needs people doing the right thing, and overall vigilance and an effort of everyone, to keep the democratic system in place. Congress as safeguard already sort of failed, now as kind of a "next safeguard up" it might just be the electorate's turn to say, no Trump, not like that. I kind of see it that way.

(08-17-2020, 11:55 PM)Sociopathicsteelerfan Wrote: This is hardly the first time such measures have been used in the US.  The ship has always righted itself. Whether it does again I suppose remains to be seen, but I have faith that it will.  Although, we may be near the base of the wick at this point.  Hopefully someone can come along and recast the mold.  It sure as hell isn't Biden or Harris.

Well, it sure as hell isn't Trump. In the first instance, Biden would kind of recast the mold just by not pulling the same kind of stunts.