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(11-12-2020, 12:01 AM)BFritz21 Wrote: The Swine Flu disaster that the Obama Administration messed up.

I'm not that versed on this topic, could you provide me with some examples of things the Obama admin did disastrously wrong back then? For I can't quite see it. As far as I can tell, there were tests within a few days and a vaccine within the year. The public was briefed minaciously. The swine flu ended up killing around 12.500 people total, and not to appear heartless, this is more within the realms of a normal flu. They did not use masks and distancing and lockdowns in their response, and nobody would have accepted such measures. So yeah, I don't know, what went so horribly wrong?

(11-12-2020, 12:01 AM)BFritz21 Wrote: Exactly.  

Urgency which Trump kicked into gear, and how can you say that you hope it was unnecessary?  How has it not proven to be necessary already?

The urgency had nothing to do with Trump, meaning it would have been deemed urgent without him too.

When I said "unnecessary", it was in regards to the regulatory hurdles that Trump allegedly or maybe really removed. I said I hope these regulations were indeed unnecessary. Wouldn't want him to cut a necessary regulation, eg. necessary for the vaccine being safe. That's what I meant.

(11-12-2020, 12:01 AM)BFritz21 Wrote: He didn't lie.

Yeah he did. He claimed that the US has rounded a corner, or that the numbers are going way down, or that the pandemic is getting under control, when these things by no measures did take place. He claimed that 99% of cases are completely harmless, which is demonstrably untrue. He falsely claimed the US has the lowest mortality in the world and the lowest case fatality rate in the world. He accused the media of overblowing the issue, to hurt him and to keep voter turnout low, and insisted that as soon as election day is over, no one will talk about Covid any longer. In the debates he claimed that 85% of people wearing masks catch the virus, which is an absurd lie. He claimed everybody can get a test at a time where this wasn't even remotely true. He claimed the US outpaces South Korea in testing, when the US at the time demonstrably lagged way behind South Korea and many other countries, he made similar lies repeatedly. He then blamed increased testing for rising case numbers, when it was in fact of course the virus further spreading around. He claimed he knew it was a pandemic long before anyone else did - which is not important, but utterly ridiculous - even more so for he also repeatedly suggested it will go away, in the summer, in the heat, like a miracle. He lied about vaccine timetables and promised a vaccine at totally unrealistic dates. He promoted an ineffective drug and claimed experts only call it ineffective because they are not Trump fans. He almost bluntly accused nurses to steal masks on a large scale, and even suggested doctors make up covid cases to get more money. This is in no way a complete list. But all of those are lies, lies, lies.

(11-12-2020, 12:01 AM)BFritz21 Wrote: It was wrong for him to mock wearing masks at firsts, but, again, no one knew much about this.  He has wisened up and started wearing a mask.

He still felt it necessary to mock Biden for his mask-wearing in the debates. When he did so the first time, every expert recommended masks already. You already knew that. We all knew that.

(11-12-2020, 12:01 AM)BFritz21 Wrote: Again, he downplayed it because no one knew much about it, and he was trying to keep the people calm.

What do you mean, no one knew much? We knew it was raging in Europe, we knew how dangerous it was, and who else demonstrably knew? Trump. He told Bob Woodward on tape back in April. He said it "is a killer" and "deadly stuff", that it is dangerous, highly contageous, spreads through the air, also affects younger people - he knew all that.
Later than that interview, he claimed it will go away like a miracle, is not deadlier than the flu, and encouraged protesters to "liberate!" states that took measures against Covid.

(11-12-2020, 12:01 AM)BFritz21 Wrote: He has wisened up, and people who aren't following the orders are just morons.

Has he though? You know who Scott Atlas is? Apparently the adviser that has Trump's ear now, much more so than Fauci, that promotes "herd immunity", you heard the concept? Let everone get sick and protect the vulnerable people, that's his plan, widely seen as disastrous and very deadly. That is who shapes Trump's covid policies today. Is that "wise"?

(11-12-2020, 12:01 AM)BFritz21 Wrote: What about the BLM gatherings and the protests?

Yeah, that is not ideal either, no question about it. I never claimed it were exclusively people listening to Trump that behaved irresponsibly. What I'm saying is that Trump's words add quite a large amount of people to the list of folks that behave irresponsibly.