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(12-12-2020, 10:49 PM)Geno_Can_Dunk Wrote: It's interesting, I agree with at least one part of everything that's been posted so far, but do not agree entirely with any of them. Makes for a good discussion thread. 

This is probably the one I like the best. If we were voting, I'd vote for it. 

Couple small quibbles though:

At least according to overthecap.com (which I prefer to spotrac), we'd save Price's salary if we trade him but not if we cut him. I don't know why or if that's even accurate. But remember, we save 3.5M by cutting Finney anyway, and a little over 2.5 if we cut XSF. So I don't think Price is a must. 

I'd love to have Dalton back but I have a really hard time seeing it under any circumstances. 

I think your AAV estimates are pretty accurate (not sure why Mac's would go up though, but others have said that too). I do want to point out for everybody that AAV doesn't always equate to first year cap hit. Waynes's AAV was around 14M but his first year hit was only 10. Reader's deal was about the same. I believe this is what most teams do, and we only started doing it last year. And I think it's a good idea for several reasons. 

But I'd be cool with how the roster shapes up if we followed your plan. 

Thanks! Yea, AAVs vs first year cap hits are a hard thing to really lock down. If I wanted to be janky, I could say "We sign Leonard Williams to a 3 year 45 million dollar contract but his first year is only 5 million!" It would lead to more flexibility in this little rebuild exercise, but it's not really realistic and even harder to predict what the player will accept. That's why I just stuck with the standard "every year is approximately the same" rebuild philosophy, even if it never really comes out that way in practice.

As far as Mack's increase, I think slot corners are going to increase in demand and I think he's shown well in that capacity this season. I don't know what COVID will do to the free agent market, maybe it depresses prices severely, maybe it has no effect but I wouldn't be surprised if Mack gets a raise when he signs a multi year contract. He has shown he can work in our system and I think taking a low cost 1 year deal was his way of proving his worth, of which he would theoretically reap this off season.

As for Price, I was kind of iffy on cutting him. It could be Finney too. Or we could just cut the two and not cut a third. I don't have a strong stance on this one. I do think we should keep XSF though. He looked pretty good out there today (although maybe I'm wrong, I'm just going off my impressions not any statistics).

And Dalton is kind of a fever dream haha. But we need a back up who can actually win games. If Burrow starts the season on the IR, we need to stay competitive until he comes back. I've seen people recommend Cam Newton, Andy Dalton, Ryan Fitzpatrick, Mitch Trubisky, Jacoby Brissett, RG3, Mike Glennon, Brian Hoyer, or, really, any of the other myriad of decent QBs that enter the market in 2021. There will definitely be options. The point is we need to get someone who can win a game or two if Burrow is not ready to go (or, God forbid, gets injured again). Maybe if we fire ZT, Mike Brown can convince Dalton to come back, I dunno. But if not then we start to explore the others. The key is we cannot have Allen or Finley as the primary backup in 2021.