Poll: At pick #5, who would you rather have?
Penei Sewell
Ja'Marr Chase
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Chase vs. Sewell
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(02-14-2021, 12:16 PM)samhain Wrote: Those defenses killed Burrow because they had both the talent and scheme to throw several blitz packages at him that this o-line in no way had the talent (or coaching) to deal with.  Baltimore was bringing safeties that were running free at the quarterback.  The right side was Watt's *****, to absolutely no one's surprise, as Hart has always gotten smoked by any speed rusher.

Everything should not be predicated on Burrow getting the ball out as fast as possible.  I'd much rather give the quarterback more time than weapons.  With more time, a passer (especially one like Joey B) that can see the plays develop will be able to win without an arsenal of receivers.  

If we're honest here, this team isn't really hurting at the WR position.  Even as AJ declined, you had 2 prime targets develop in Boyd and Tee.  How many high-end receivers do we expect to have?  I want 5 or 6, lol.  Unfortunately when it comes to roster building, that will detract from positions of major need like DE, DT, and most importantly OL.  CB is also in the mix.  

If I had to bet money, I would bet a lot that Chase is gong to be a Bengal.  I think between Mikey's love of high-end WRs and Joe's seeming desire to reunite with him, it's practically baked into the cake barring him murdering someone or sustaining a major injury.  I'm probably going to be excited about it, but I still see it as a luxury pick when there are so many other needs.  

At the end of the day, this is a shitty roster.  It's most glaring problem has gone unresolved for 5 seasons.  Taking a 1st overall quarterback when you are at a point of needing one is an excuse not to address the o-line with an early pick.  Taking a WR when you have a shot at the top OL in the draft is definitely not. 

Another thing to consider: last week in the SB, we saw a favored team (KC) get beat like rented mules.  Some might blame Mahomes, but even under duress, he was putting the ball in places where his receivers could make plays.  KC had all of their vaunted targets healthy.  They had the best WR in the NFL in Tyreek Hill.  The best TE in Kelce.  Two excellent compliments in Watkins and Hardman.  On top of that they had CEH and Bell, both capable receivers in the backfield.  They also have one of if not the most physically gifted quarterback ever to play the game, and a guy that's been there and won before.  So why did they lose despite having the best arsenal of weapons and best QB in the league?  Could it be because both starting tackles were out?  That alone should illustrate the importance of o-line vs weapons.  The best of the best in terms of weapons is worthless without a group that can pass block.  No team got anywhere in the playoffs without a line that could do it reasonably well.

There is a lot here.  First off, I agree that "everything should not be predicated on Burrow getting the ball out quickly".   There are, however, situations that need a quick option.  Look at the 2nd Cleveland game and how they had screens set up to defeat the blitz.  It was like "where has this been"? And one other thing this offense has clearly lacked is the big play.  A WR that can burn you deep and take the proverbial top off the defense is critical for those big plays.  They often happen when blitzes are picked up.  Balt and pitt didn't get home every pass rush, but their coverage forced Burrow to hold the ball too long.  They need a weapon that can defeat that coverage better, and faster.


I disagree that this is a shitty roster.  I believe it had some shitty position groups, and the offensive line and interior of the defensive line were most glaring.  Your LBs and CBs will look poor when you have no interior pass rush.  I think a few additions and a couple returning players will make a huge difference next year.  

As far as the Super Bowl goes, I am not going to base much on that as I think KC was beat up on the offensive line and had a horrible game plan.  The one thing you seem to fail to grasp is that a weapon like Chase does change the way a defense has to defend you.  Boyd and Higgins do not do that.  They are really good WRs, but neither of them is like Chase.  Not many people are.  He can force safeties back, which also helps the rushing attack.  

I am not saying to ignore the Offensive line, as I gave another thread that added detail about what else would come with either player, but I still think this team won't go anywhere without a true #1 that scares defenses.  
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Chase vs. Sewell - SHRacerX - 02-01-2021, 11:14 AM
RE: Chase vs. Sewell - Nicomo Cosca - 02-01-2021, 11:20 AM
RE: Chase vs. Sewell - Essex Johnson - 02-01-2021, 11:25 AM
RE: Chase vs. Sewell - Nicomo Cosca - 02-01-2021, 12:01 PM
RE: Chase vs. Sewell - SHRacerX - 02-01-2021, 05:41 PM
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RE: Chase vs. Sewell - SHRacerX - 02-02-2021, 09:57 AM
RE: Chase vs. Sewell - SunsetBengal - 02-02-2021, 10:59 AM
RE: Chase vs. Sewell - SHRacerX - 02-02-2021, 11:17 AM
RE: Chase vs. Sewell - bfine32 - 02-02-2021, 09:30 PM
RE: Chase vs. Sewell - SHRacerX - 02-03-2021, 09:50 AM
RE: Chase vs. Sewell - bfine32 - 02-03-2021, 01:31 PM
RE: Chase vs. Sewell - BengalsRocker - 02-03-2021, 01:42 PM
RE: Chase vs. Sewell - bfine32 - 02-03-2021, 02:18 PM
RE: Chase vs. Sewell - SHRacerX - 02-04-2021, 09:51 AM
RE: Chase vs. Sewell - Whatever - 02-04-2021, 10:57 AM
RE: Chase vs. Sewell - Essex Johnson - 02-04-2021, 08:50 PM
RE: Chase vs. Sewell - Gdale_Bengal - 02-05-2021, 06:11 PM
RE: Chase vs. Sewell - Essex Johnson - 02-03-2021, 08:04 PM
RE: Chase vs. Sewell - SHRacerX - 02-04-2021, 09:53 AM
RE: Chase vs. Sewell - rfaulk34 - 02-01-2021, 06:21 PM
RE: Chase vs. Sewell - psychdoctor - 02-01-2021, 12:24 PM
RE: Chase vs. Sewell - Gdale_Bengal - 02-01-2021, 12:34 PM
RE: Chase vs. Sewell - psychdoctor - 02-01-2021, 03:59 PM
RE: Chase vs. Sewell - SadFaceBengal15 - 02-18-2021, 05:50 PM
RE: Chase vs. Sewell - Gdale_Bengal - 02-18-2021, 10:58 PM
RE: Chase vs. Sewell - Nicomo Cosca - 02-19-2021, 04:06 AM
RE: Chase vs. Sewell - Whatever - 02-19-2021, 01:32 PM
RE: Chase vs. Sewell - Nicomo Cosca - 02-19-2021, 07:58 PM
RE: Chase vs. Sewell - Essex Johnson - 02-19-2021, 08:10 PM
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RE: Chase vs. Sewell - Goalpost - 02-01-2021, 12:31 PM
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RE: Chase vs. Sewell - Nicomo Cosca - 02-01-2021, 04:18 PM
RE: Chase vs. Sewell - SHRacerX - 02-01-2021, 05:47 PM
RE: Chase vs. Sewell - bfine32 - 02-01-2021, 04:17 PM
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RE: Chase vs. Sewell - Essex Johnson - 02-01-2021, 04:41 PM
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RE: Chase vs. Sewell - Nicomo Cosca - 02-02-2021, 10:22 PM
RE: Chase vs. Sewell - bfine32 - 02-03-2021, 01:09 AM
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RE: Chase vs. Sewell - Nicomo Cosca - 02-05-2021, 06:28 PM
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RE: Chase vs. Sewell - Hammerstripes - 02-05-2021, 07:03 PM
RE: Chase vs. Sewell - SHRacerX - 02-06-2021, 11:53 AM
RE: Chase vs. Sewell - Nicomo Cosca - 02-06-2021, 12:30 PM
RE: Chase vs. Sewell - SHRacerX - 02-07-2021, 01:04 PM
RE: Chase vs. Sewell - fortyyearfan - 02-10-2021, 06:23 PM
RE: Chase vs. Sewell - Hammerstripes - 02-10-2021, 09:57 PM
RE: Chase vs. Sewell - SHRacerX - 02-11-2021, 11:39 AM
RE: Chase vs. Sewell - SHRacerX - 02-13-2021, 11:31 AM
RE: Chase vs. Sewell - Nicomo Cosca - 02-13-2021, 12:49 PM
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RE: Chase vs. Sewell - SHRacerX - 02-19-2021, 10:21 AM
RE: Chase vs. Sewell - SHRacerX - 02-19-2021, 10:09 AM
RE: Chase vs. Sewell - SHRacerX - 02-14-2021, 10:36 AM
RE: Chase vs. Sewell - samhain - 02-14-2021, 12:16 PM
RE: Chase vs. Sewell - SHRacerX - 02-15-2021, 10:51 AM
RE: Chase vs. Sewell - TheLeonardLeap - 02-15-2021, 01:29 PM
RE: Chase vs. Sewell - samhain - 02-16-2021, 11:10 AM
RE: Chase vs. Sewell - BengalHawk62 - 02-15-2021, 03:28 PM
RE: Chase vs. Sewell - fortyyearfan - 02-15-2021, 03:45 PM
RE: Chase vs. Sewell - Nicomo Cosca - 02-15-2021, 04:33 PM
RE: Chase vs. Sewell - SHRacerX - 02-16-2021, 10:02 AM
RE: Chase vs. Sewell - Synric - 02-16-2021, 11:42 AM
RE: Chase vs. Sewell - samhain - 02-16-2021, 01:55 PM
RE: Chase vs. Sewell - J24 - 02-18-2021, 06:07 PM
RE: Chase vs. Sewell - Hammerstripes - 02-19-2021, 08:41 PM
RE: Chase vs. Sewell - Socal Bengals fan - 02-20-2021, 01:53 AM
RE: Chase vs. Sewell - Nicomo Cosca - 02-23-2021, 12:42 PM
RE: Chase vs. Sewell - Nicomo Cosca - 02-23-2021, 09:21 PM
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RE: Chase vs. Sewell - samhain - 02-27-2021, 08:47 AM
RE: Chase vs. Sewell - SunsetBengal - 03-21-2021, 06:19 PM
RE: Chase vs. Sewell - Essex Johnson - 03-21-2021, 08:43 PM
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