07-04-2020, 11:18 PM
(07-04-2020, 04:01 PM)bfine32 Wrote: Well you did mention "or fear AOC" in the comment I replied to and I chose to ignore that as cheap rhetoric. So we can both be guilty.
I feel this was a somewhat reduced, but overall not overly unfair representation of arguments made. "The radical leftists" and fear what they might do to the US are brought up quite often. And AOC is an also quite often mentioned poster child for those fears. I don't feel guilty at all for having it put that way.
(07-04-2020, 04:01 PM)bfine32 Wrote: I take my stance because I know where the true power lies and it's not in Executive policy decisions. We are a Nation of Checks and balances. Every Governor in this nation could have mandated all the cool things that have been suggested.
This might be true, but it does not really take away from all the horrid mistakes Trump made in word and deed.
(07-04-2020, 04:01 PM)bfine32 Wrote: Here's the dirty truth. Over half this Nation hates Trump. Polls show that folks are going for Biden not because they like Biden, but because they dislike Trump.
Sure, and I find that perfectly understandable.
Again though, how many people hate Trump how intensely does not take away from the mistakes Trump made. This remark holds little argumentative value. I made quite a list of Trump failures, and they were imho not hyperbolic or unfair or fueled by my Trump hatred, but mainly descriptive in nature. He DID kill the pandemic response plan, he DID throw out ridiculous theories en masse, he DID... ah I made that long list already.
(07-04-2020, 04:01 PM)bfine32 Wrote: Furthermore the vast majority of Americans that don't hate Trump are bright enough to take a medical professional's guidance over a real estate mogul.
A vast majority? I disagree with that. There are many people who trust Trump blindly. It is not a fringe group.
Also, this too is a remark that does not really free said real estate mogul from any blame or responsibility. Your point seems to be "who believes this weird dude anyway", and this is quite a sad stance to have about an US president in the first place.
I mean, hardly any conservative would have felt inclined to ask "who is going to believe a Hollywood actor anyway" about Reagan.
(07-04-2020, 04:01 PM)bfine32 Wrote: To simply look at one side of the coin is narrow-minded in my opinion. Federally mandated all the things you and others may have saved a few lives, but it very well could have killed the biggest economy, by far, in the world.
Yeah well, I look at the side of the coin that is represented by the graph that compares US infections to European infections. It is tough to explain that away with the US being so federalistic or so much more economy-driven or whatever and that it is not a failure in leadership at all.