2020 Election

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(07-30-2020, 12:12 PM)Dill Wrote: You left out

Hence the [...]. I left out a lot. You, I feel, leave out those that see Trump as a bad person and president, but feel strongly about conservative judges or about abortion or about the economic system and many things that, although totally not my view on things, are inherently understandable and non-crazy reasons. I still feel there's something at stake that should be more important than any of these issues, but I can't scold anyone that disagrees on that front.
As I said, not all Trump voters are seduced, uninformed, riddled by irrational fears etc. And the constant implications (I am not really targeting you specifically with that remark) that they all are one of those unflattering things imho make it understandable that anti-Trumpers often are perceived as overly condescending.

(07-30-2020, 12:29 PM)Sociopathicsteelerfan Wrote: This post in honestly fascinating for being exactly what it is attempting to describe.  A much better case could be made that the far left has infiltrated the moderate left.  "Trumpism", a few people aside, ends the moment Trump is out of office.

Yeah that's what we thought as well. From experience in my home country - and I get that this is easily dismissable, but still - I am quite sure you're wrong on that account though. I hope I am wrong, but I'm afraid Trumpism is here to stay. Most people don't turn back to being moderate and reasonable once they went the Trump way of conspiracy and hatred. (Sure that is just my take of what Trumpism is.)

- I mean, you don't think Democrats could ever revert back from radical ideas, why would you think Trump-friendly conservatives would.

(07-30-2020, 12:29 PM)Sociopathicsteelerfan Wrote: The far left has deeply enmeshed themselves in the Democratic party and they have no focal point, no single driving person, they are here to stay.  Their proposals are far more radical than anything Trump has done or even proposed.  Seattle just cut their police budget by 50%.  When told that this would mean a large percentage of non-white officers would be laid off a city council member suggested changing the MOU and contract with the police to allow laying off only white officers. 

OK, this is obviously a ridiculous proposal. And I am willing to see those instances not just as totally isolated singulary incidents, but in general I still have to agree with Dill on that one. This person on a city council is hardly emblematic of the whole Democratic party, and a whole city council wouldn't be. As soon as this enters the national debate constantly and some actual party bigshots start to reflect such proposals, I will concede the point willingly. As of now though, the sample size appears too small to prove a takeover of the democratic party by radicals.
And neither is the lack of pushback. The Dems try hard to appear united and not lose their focus and energy by fighting within their own ranks. Which might be a questionable approach for sure, but I feel there's not really a deeper meaning to that silence.

Such examples imho seem to be akin to calling the GOP undermined by anti-intellectualism for they have someone like Gohmert (and others) within their ranks, or by white supremacy because there's Steve King.

(07-30-2020, 01:21 PM)Sociopathicsteelerfan Wrote: Ahh, so the problem is that GOP leaning voters have faulty judgment.   

Very often, yes.
To be fair though, non GOP leaning voters often have faulty judgment too. Trump is just a kind of extreme the left leaning electorate, as of now, did not resort to on a national level.