08-21-2020, 12:33 PM
(08-19-2020, 06:59 PM)hollodero Wrote: Sure. So the argument for the EC is that it is less likely a person could be elected president that could then as president target states' rights.
I mean, sure, maybe. I guess in your shoes, I'd still rather be annoyed, but hey I am not.
Not exactly. More that the states all have their fair share in the decision of who leads them
Quote:Yeah, this is probably true, but still it's a bit of a sad argument. Also I'd say a system does not have to fail with a bang, it can also fail incrementally. A kind of erosion. Of which this post office scam could very well be seen as an example.
Very true, but a POTUS only has eight years, maximum, the effect that kind of gradual change. There is also Congress and the SCOTUS to stand in the way of such gradual erosion.
Quote:Well, while I fully understand that someone could see Democrats as too lenient towards criminals, I would not call them "pro criminal", or, in the same sense, "anti-law enforcement". I consider those terms simplified exaggerations. Second thing though, imho the kind of ship that needs righting is about preserving democratic norms and values, and I do not doubt that Biden is the only candidate who respects democracy and the institution and free press and all those things that I at least actually meant when talking about shiprighting. I'd maybe also argue those law enforcement topics are - in comparison - a minor issue, but mainly I'd argue that they are a different issue.
Let's take a look at the factors. Releasing criminals to virtue signal. Allowing criminals to be released OR despite being arrested multiple times. Demonizing law enforcement. Maybe one of these things on their own would prevent such an argument. All of them together absolutely makes them pro criminal and anti-law enforcement. Look at the crime rates in NYC, Chicago and Minneapolis. They are skyrocketing because Dem politicians have created an atmosphere of permissive lawlessness. There are no longer consequences for criminal behavior and criminals have responded as you would expect. You have no idea how many time that I, and fellow LEO's have heard some variation of "We know you guys can't do shit to us anymore" from the criminals we interact with. And this is in Los Angeles which has, thus far, avoided the worst of the madness on this issue. Ask why the more wealthy residents of NYC are fleeing the city in droves and the governor of New York is begging them to come back?
https://nypost.com/2020/08/11/a-mad-rush-for-the-exits-as-new-york-city-goes-down-the-tubes/
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/07/15/nyregion/nyc-shootings.html
This one is over a month old, it's only gotten worse
https://www.nationalreview.com/2020/08/baby-please-come-back-says-andrew-cuomo/
