01-30-2018, 05:37 PM
@leonardfan40 - . What do you think other teams would pay for a QB like Andy?
The new CBA changes things, so it's hard to really go back too deep but I did go into 2009 since two starting quarterbacks were moved:
2009: Broncos trade Jay Cutler and a fifth-round pick to Bears for 2009 and 2010 first-round picks, 2009 third-round pick and Kyle Orton.
2009: Patriots trade Matt Cassel and Mike Vrabel to Chiefs for 2009 second-round pick (No. 34 overall)
2011: Bengals trade Carson Palmer to Raiders for 2011 first-round pick and 2013 second-round pick.
2015: Eagles trade Sam Bradford to Vikings for 2017 first-round pick, 2018 fourth-round pick.
2017: Patriots trade Jimmy Garoppolo to 49ers for a 2018 second-round pick.
If you look at the last three trades there, they were born out of some form of desperation. That always changes the value.
Dalton, specifically, is interesting in 2018. He's 30. His ceiling is probably 2015, so the acquiring team would have to feel like they could get him to that level right away - and keep him there through 2020.
Cutler was also an outlier. He was just 25, completed his third season and a Pro Bowl "breakout" campaign. The fact he was on the market was absurd. Cassel was also unique considering the Chiefs GM had just left New England. Teams are loathe to part with first-round picks for established players. They'll trade them for other first-round picks and guys they can draft that year (i.e. Trubisky, Watson, Mahomes)
So Dalton's "value" isn't really that high, IMO. It'd be like for a second-rounder and maybe more with another third, or maybe another second in a following year. It's really interesting. NFL players are like cars - depreciate immediately once driven past a certain point.
@jakeypoo - I don't get the Bengals on their evaluation of Eifert .
They like him a lot. If Eifert didn't get hurt in the Pro Bowl or didn't hurt his back after coming back, he probably would already be under a long-term deal. Coming to terms on a deal is a two-way street. They could offer him a deal with 46-man roster bonus protections i.e. Burfict, but it's up to Eifert to take that. And "injury prone" isn't just something to throw away here. He's played 10 games in two years. It's beyond that.
@rfaulk34 - thread on Katie
I actually jumped in on that one.
@XenoMorph - this upcoming draft leaning towards Offense/Defense or a pretty even split.
Hard to say. I mean, they'll probably look for multiple OL, TE, QB and RB on offense; DT, DE, LB, S (and maybe corner) on defense. I mean, with 12 picks, it could be 7-5 to one side of the ball…but I don't think they rate their board by offense/defense. "Need" is usually just used as a tiebreaker.
@fredtoast @ SunsetBengal- Bodine
Since I was the one who got quote from Marvin about him wanting Bodine back, I can say that I was a little surprised with how strongly he fell in that camp. I know Bodine was a Paul A. favorite, so it was interesting to me to hear Marvin so firmly in that camp as wel . I think Bengals.com talked to Pollack and he said he liked him. Soo…it may depend on how much Bodine is looking for. He will be desirable, IMO. It could be a 60-40 to re-signing him at this point, if he isn't pricing himself out. As for an "economical contract" - the Bengals view centers like guards - they'll pay what they feel is fair, but they're not setting a new market (i.e. Zeitler) for an interior lineman. What that is for a center, I dunno.
The new CBA changes things, so it's hard to really go back too deep but I did go into 2009 since two starting quarterbacks were moved:
2009: Broncos trade Jay Cutler and a fifth-round pick to Bears for 2009 and 2010 first-round picks, 2009 third-round pick and Kyle Orton.
2009: Patriots trade Matt Cassel and Mike Vrabel to Chiefs for 2009 second-round pick (No. 34 overall)
2011: Bengals trade Carson Palmer to Raiders for 2011 first-round pick and 2013 second-round pick.
2015: Eagles trade Sam Bradford to Vikings for 2017 first-round pick, 2018 fourth-round pick.
2017: Patriots trade Jimmy Garoppolo to 49ers for a 2018 second-round pick.
If you look at the last three trades there, they were born out of some form of desperation. That always changes the value.
Dalton, specifically, is interesting in 2018. He's 30. His ceiling is probably 2015, so the acquiring team would have to feel like they could get him to that level right away - and keep him there through 2020.
Cutler was also an outlier. He was just 25, completed his third season and a Pro Bowl "breakout" campaign. The fact he was on the market was absurd. Cassel was also unique considering the Chiefs GM had just left New England. Teams are loathe to part with first-round picks for established players. They'll trade them for other first-round picks and guys they can draft that year (i.e. Trubisky, Watson, Mahomes)
So Dalton's "value" isn't really that high, IMO. It'd be like for a second-rounder and maybe more with another third, or maybe another second in a following year. It's really interesting. NFL players are like cars - depreciate immediately once driven past a certain point.
@jakeypoo - I don't get the Bengals on their evaluation of Eifert .
They like him a lot. If Eifert didn't get hurt in the Pro Bowl or didn't hurt his back after coming back, he probably would already be under a long-term deal. Coming to terms on a deal is a two-way street. They could offer him a deal with 46-man roster bonus protections i.e. Burfict, but it's up to Eifert to take that. And "injury prone" isn't just something to throw away here. He's played 10 games in two years. It's beyond that.
@rfaulk34 - thread on Katie
I actually jumped in on that one.
@XenoMorph - this upcoming draft leaning towards Offense/Defense or a pretty even split.
Hard to say. I mean, they'll probably look for multiple OL, TE, QB and RB on offense; DT, DE, LB, S (and maybe corner) on defense. I mean, with 12 picks, it could be 7-5 to one side of the ball…but I don't think they rate their board by offense/defense. "Need" is usually just used as a tiebreaker.
@fredtoast @ SunsetBengal- Bodine
Since I was the one who got quote from Marvin about him wanting Bodine back, I can say that I was a little surprised with how strongly he fell in that camp. I know Bodine was a Paul A. favorite, so it was interesting to me to hear Marvin so firmly in that camp as wel . I think Bengals.com talked to Pollack and he said he liked him. Soo…it may depend on how much Bodine is looking for. He will be desirable, IMO. It could be a 60-40 to re-signing him at this point, if he isn't pricing himself out. As for an "economical contract" - the Bengals view centers like guards - they'll pay what they feel is fair, but they're not setting a new market (i.e. Zeitler) for an interior lineman. What that is for a center, I dunno.
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