05-03-2016, 03:47 PM
(05-03-2016, 02:43 PM)fredtoast Wrote: Logic is obviously useless in a world were everyone believes Paul Alexander told the team "I don't want any draft picks to work with. All I need are undrafted guy and cheap-ass, past-their-prime free agents."
Yeah, I guess that's why the Bengals drafted two OTs back-to-back in the first and second round last year.
Quote:Over Pauls first 20 years as O-line coach for the Bengals they only used a total of 6 picks in the first two rounds on offensive linemen (Willie Anderson, Levi Jones, Eric Steinbach, Whitworth, Smith, Zeitler). Every single one of them were starters for many years. They had also only used 3 third round picks, and only one of them failed to be at least a 2 year starter in the NFL(Rod Payne '97 C).
Here is a list of the O-linemen taken by other teams in the first three rounds that never became starers from just '04-'13 (I am not counting the last two drafts because there are guys who may still become starers)
'13...Brennan Williams-3
'12...Mike Adams-2, Donald Stephenson-3, Tony Bergstrom-3
'11...Danny Watkins-1 (Watkins actually started 12 games one season, but with only 18 starts in 3 seasons for 2 teams he qualifies as a flop), Gabe Carimi-1 (also had one seadon with 14 starts, but with only 26 starts in four seasons for 3 teams he is also a bust), Derrick Sherrod-1, Ben Ijalana-2,
'10...Mike Johnson-3
'09...Jason Smith-1 (#2 overall pick had one season with 15 starts, only 26 in four seasons with 2 teams), Eben Britton-2 (15 starts rookie season, only 19 more starts in next five years with 2 teams), Robert Brewester-3, Antoine Caldwell-3,
'08...Jeff Otah-1 (29 starts in only 3 seasons), Oniel Cousins-3
'07...James Martin-3, Andy Alleman-3
'06...Charles spencer-3, Rashad Butler-3
'05...Marcus Johnson-2 (one season with 10 starts, only 8 more in 4 more years with 2 teams), Rashad Butler-3
'04...Jacob Rogers-2,
'03...Bruce Nrelson-2, Wayne Hunter-3 (One season 15 starts, only 9 more over 7 seasons with 4 teams), Seth Wand-3 (one season 16 starts, only 2 more in 4 more years with 3 teams), Courtney Van Buren-3
I'd have to back another 7 years to get to the one and only pick from the first three rounds that flopped for the Bengals. Compared to the rest of the league that looks pretty good.
I guess someone will argue that Paul has such a low total because the Bengals only made 9 picks over those 20 seasons, but that goes back to my point about how little he was given to work with.
The number of games started by the likes of Guycheck, Livings, Andrews, etc doesn't make them suck any less. This is where your argument falls flat every single time. As you admit, Bodine hasn't had to compete with anyone for starts. Do the number of times he has started change the fact he hasn't competed with anyone? No. Do the number of times he started change the fact he is the weakest link on the line? No.
It took the offensive line coaches of the Eagles and Cowboys one season to figure out what Paul Alexander never did; we gotta replace Andrews and Livings 'cause they suck.
