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(03-08-2025, 01:02 AM)Tomkat Wrote: [ -> ]What the actual f**k
Why am I a fan of this stupid forsaken team????

So if they trade Trey and keep Tee and Chase, that's not a bad outcome.

I could see the Lions wanting Trey.

(03-08-2025, 01:05 AM)THE PISTONS Wrote: [ -> ]So if they trade Trey and keep Tee and Chase, that's not a bad outcome.

I could see the Lions wanting Trey.

The defense cost them WAY more games than the offense did.  The offense can function without Tee (like they did when he was injured.)  The defense will be worse than trash without Trey.

Sounds like the Bengals offered Trey $30-$32 mill a year. There is an interview he did in the link below and he wants to stay here. He said "there's no other place i'd rather be."

https://www.cincyjungle.com/2025/3/7/24380548/bengals-trey-hendrickson-contract-offer?fbclid=IwY2xjawI4pfdleHRuA2FlbQIxMQABHY0fSrA7f3wyFG0i7Vt6hvn5piUc4F8RmyhzwNq1MoCJxDxGHTv_c7i7lQ_aem_YparkLYzOk3z81hFIsgG0Q

(03-08-2025, 01:31 AM)cinci4life Wrote: [ -> ]Sounds like the Bengals offered Trey $30-$32 mill a year. There is an interview he did in the link below and he wants to stay here. He said "there's no other place i'd rather be."

https://www.cincyjungle.com/2025/3/7/24380548/bengals-trey-hendrickson-contract-offer?fbclid=IwY2xjawI4pfdleHRuA2FlbQIxMQABHY0fSrA7f3wyFG0i7Vt6hvn5piUc4F8RmyhzwNq1MoCJxDxGHTv_c7i7lQ_aem_YparkLYzOk3z81hFIsgG0Q

He would’ve took that YESTERDAY if it was offered



But because of timing of the rumor (Iv seen it too) i am led to believe this is a new thing so if i like it


This would also be great for the Bengals FO.


Yeah we are a trash franchise but we saw what the market was and we met it. That looks so good for prospective FAs

(03-08-2025, 01:31 AM)cinci4life Wrote: [ -> ]Sounds like the Bengals offered Trey $30-$32 mill a year. There is an interview he did in the link below and he wants to stay here. He said "there's no other place i'd rather be."

https://www.cincyjungle.com/2025/3/7/24380548/bengals-trey-hendrickson-contract-offer?fbclid=IwY2xjawI4pfdleHRuA2FlbQIxMQABHY0fSrA7f3wyFG0i7Vt6hvn5piUc4F8RmyhzwNq1MoCJxDxGHTv_c7i7lQ_aem_YparkLYzOk3z81hFIsgG0Q

 
If so, what's the guaranteed money and length?  

I could see them offering make his deal this year and next in that range, maybe significantly partially guaranteed in the 2nd or 3rd year. Then his camp balks at not getting a 3rd year. Then they say find a team that will pay you that.  

So the problem is the guaranteed money.

SSDD

(03-08-2025, 12:27 AM)ochocincos Wrote: [ -> ]He would lose a lot of money being tagged?
The tag is a lot.
If he's tagged a second time, it's even better.
He'd get an extra near $50+ mill if tagged twice.
And it would essentially be fully guaranteed without the Bengals having to put all that into escrow in 2025.

At the end of the day though, he technically doesn't have a choice.
Bengals don't HAVE to trade him this year.
They can choose to tag him next year, even twice if they wanted.
The only thing Hendrickson can choose to do is retire really, but that literally takes money off the table for him.
Given his age and position he plays, he can't take a year off refusing to play.

3yr/$90-100m extension > 2yr/~$50m of getting tagged twice

Plus the extension would come with a ~$20-30m signing bonus that he'd get right now and could invest and make money off of. Plus, again, potential possible future franchise tags are not guaranteed money until they're applied there is zero protection for him from a drop in production or a serious injury that would make the Bengals potentially not want to tag him again. There's a reason almost no player likes the tag and becomes disgruntled when they get it and almost all non-Bengals teams make sure that tagging a player is just a move to give them time to negotiate an extension that offseason rather than actually expecting them to play under the tag.

He does have a choice and it's not just retirement. He can just hold in and collect paychecks. He has a history of neck stingers, so he can just say that he tweaked it and doesn't feel right enough to practice soft tissue injuries are near impossible to disprove. Nobody around the NFL would blame him or find him less desirable because of it, because sacks are valuable and everyone is making fun of the Bengals for being a clown show organization right now and would understand.

(03-07-2025, 07:26 PM)SunsetBengal Wrote: [ -> ]I haven't studied their cap situation, but wouldn't they already be planning to re-sign Fries and the Center?

It seems they have about $29M cap space. Some sites have them at about $40M, but their beat writer has them at $29M.

Sunset, I view this as similar to BJ Hill and Mike Hilton situation. If they wanted them, would they not have worked out an extension before their contracts expired?

To your point, they most probably are planning on re-signing at least Fries. But if he hits FA, I'm not sure Colts can afford him. 

 

(03-08-2025, 01:05 AM)THE PISTONS Wrote: [ -> ]I could see the Lions wanting Trey.

That would be the ideal scenario for us to get a late first rounder, or Ragnor Lothbrook and their second rounder. The Trey connection with Campbell could be a factor.

But with their OC and DC having moved on, will this be a step back year for them - which then could impact their FA moves? 

(03-08-2025, 11:37 AM)XsandOs Wrote: [ -> ]It seems they have about $29M cap space. Some sites have them at about $40M, but their beat writer has them at $29M.

Sunset, I view this as similar to BJ Hill and Mike Hilton situation. If they wanted them, would they not have worked out an extension before their contracts expired?

To your point, they most probably are planning on re-signing at least Fries. But if he hits FA, I'm not sure Colts can afford him. 

 

Your number seems off.

It now says we have 52 million with the 6 draft picks, but not Hudson on it yet. Bengals like to keep 5 million for injuries so the real number is 47 million - Hudson.

https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/cincinnati-bengals/cap/_/year/2025

(03-08-2025, 01:05 AM)THE PISTONS Wrote: [ -> ]So if they trade Trey and keep Tee and Chase, that's not a bad outcome.

I could see the Lions wanting Trey.

It is when you think the trio of burrow , higgins and chase had great years but we missed playoffs with a subpar defense and not you lose your best player on def...

Well if the offer 30 to 32 million is true, the bengals put a quality offer out there too bad Trey did not accept so trade away.

I sm still hoping we can get a deal done here. Trey has said nice things publicly.

If the reporting is accurate, and not just CYB leaks from the Bengals, then the topline numbers are realistic.

So the cash/guarantees and years are the sticking points.

Giving him permission to test the waters can also be a tool to prove our offer is legit & worthy.

My torches and pitchforks are still in the garage, at least until this plays out.

All our obvious big cuts have been made (Rankins, Cappa, Hubbard retired). Tee has been tagged, a real deal would likely lower his cap number.

There are some smaller cuts that could be made (Volson, Moss, McPherson, Sample, Burton) that could add around $11-$12 mil to our space collectively.

And we could release Stone/Pratt depending on FA/draft.

But the large outline of our cap space is clear, and there is plenty to get these deals done. Both Trey and Chase all already on the books (this year) for big money. Doing these deals won't eat all our space, not even close. And if structured right, can reduce the hit in future years some.

And we have not restructured Burrow yet. Which would easily cover any hikes form pro-rated signing bonuses for Chase & Trey.

This can be easily done. We are just cheap.

(03-08-2025, 12:05 PM)Luvnit2 Wrote: [ -> ]Your number seems off.

It now says we have 52 million with the 6 draft picks, but not Hudson on it yet. Bengals like to keep 5 million for injuries so the real number is 47 million - Hudson.

https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/cincinnati-bengals/cap/_/year/2025

Luvnit2; I was responding to Sunset about the Colts cap space. Not Bengals.

Hopefully we get some news one way or the other by Free-Agency for both Trey and Tee.

Absolutely need a resolution in the coming days.

(03-08-2025, 12:42 PM)Isaac Curtis: The Real #85 Wrote: [ -> ]This can be easily done. We are just cheap.

The Bengals are cheap gets real old. The Bengals spend every year most of their cap money and then roll over the excess. Look around and you see teams like Pats with over 100 million left in cap space. Are they cheap too?

If Bengals offered Tee 30 to 32 million with only 50% guaranteed it is a fair offer. Tee has a history of injury problems yearly so makes sense the guaranteed portion will be a lit less than Chase for example. That does not make them cheap, it makes the good business people.

Browns guaranteed Watson contract coming off not playing and major sexual assault allegations. They were not cheap, but sure were stupid.

(03-08-2025, 12:50 PM)Luvnit2 Wrote: [ -> ]The Bengals are cheap gets real old. The Bengals spend every year most of their cap money and then roll over the excess. Look around and you see teams like Pats with over 100 million left in cap space. Are they cheap too?

If Bengals offered Tee 30 to 32 million with only 50% guaranteed it is a fair offer. Tee has a history of injury problems yearly so makes sense the guaranteed portion will be a lit less than Chase for example. That does not make them cheap, it makes the good business people.

Browns guaranteed Watson contract coming off not playing and major sexual assault allegations. They were not cheap, but sure were stupid.

Cool... Being good business people is awesome. Unless you're supposed to be good football executives, and owners... Then being good business people is just a small part of the equation.

(03-08-2025, 12:32 PM)Essex Johnson Wrote: [ -> ]Well if the offer 30 to 32 million is true, the bengals put a quality offer out there too bad Trey did not accept so trade away.

Well James Rapien is saying those rumors aren't true. Which i know it's speculation either way. But if we look at the facts we know that the Bengals have shown a tendency to low ball, not like players at 30 and Trey already signing multiple contracts with us so probably not having to worry about other hang ups like guarantees. Then it points to us being decently below those numbers as I believe he would've most likely signed.

I just think this is the beginning of the colossal failure we all should've feared this offseason turning into. I'm holding onto slim hope for free agency but I fear it's gonna be another one were we are silent until late next week signing 3rd tier players that aren't upgrades on paper hoping to hit.

(03-08-2025, 12:59 PM)jason Wrote: [ -> ]Cool... Being good business people is awesome. Unless you're supposed to be good football executives, and owners... Then being good business people is just a small part of the equation.

Again, show me where they are not spending money on player salaries the past 8 to 10 years. You can't. The issue is not them being cheap, the issue is poor decisions in the draft and free agency.

(03-08-2025, 12:50 PM)Luvnit2 Wrote: [ -> ]The Bengals are cheap gets real old. The Bengals spend every year most of their cap money and then roll over the excess. Look around and you see teams like Pats with over 100 million left in cap space. Are they cheap too?

If Bengals offered Tee 30 to 32 million with only 50% guaranteed it is a fair offer. Tee has a history of injury problems yearly so makes sense the guaranteed portion will be a lit less than Chase for example. That does not make them cheap, it makes the good business people.

Browns guaranteed Watson contract coming off not playing and major sexual assault allegations. They were not cheap, but sure were stupid.

The FO is cheap. Especially when it comes to guaranteed cash. You don’t have to defend them