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(03-17-2025, 11:55 PM)sandwedge Wrote: [ -> ]I believe we lost a couple of games last year because our kicking game couldn't get it right.

At least two: Ravens1 and Chargers.

(03-17-2025, 07:32 PM)michaelsean Wrote: [ -> ]Maybe Burton will realize if he could get even half of what these guys got he would be a very rich man, and decide to quit being a knucklehead.

True knuckleheads don't just stop being knuckleheads, even when large amounts of money is involved. Sometimes, the knuckleheadedness is just part of their personality. 

He seems to be a tried and true, bonafide knucklehead. 

(03-17-2025, 07:55 PM)Nate (formerly eliminate08) Wrote: [ -> ]Yep, that is what great teams do. Draft and coach up the youth. There are a lot of young, talented players for the new coaches to work with
and I am sure this upcoming Draft we can see what type of scheme Golden is going to implement by the type of players drafted. For example
I could see us drafting a pass rushing LB to be Golden's Viper in his Defense.

Should be interesting to say the least.


The DB's I think could be very good as you say, they have a lot of talent they drafted lately to get the most out of. CTB was very disappointing 
to me last year, but Turner and Dax looked pretty damn good. Fig also made some nice plays as a rookie. Have liked Jordan Battle since we 
drafted him and didn't like Lou benching him for Vonn early last season. Was a bad move.

I could see us drafting another DB early this year in Emmanwori to be that playmaking FS that we need. I don't care if Stone got some picks 
late last year, he cannot tackle and lucks into his picks. About all he has for him is good hands, I would move on from him and add a Guard.

Good post.

I did not watch much college ball, but I thought Emmanwori was a SS. He is like 230, yes? Do I have that wrong?

(03-18-2025, 12:10 AM)rfaulk34 Wrote: [ -> ]True knuckleheads don't just stop being knuckleheads, even when large amounts of money is involved. Sometimes, the knuckleheadedness is just part of their personality. 

He seems to be a tried and true, bonafide knucklehead. 

I classify Burton more as an immature spoiled athlete.

Hope he grows up fast, he could not have 2 better mentors in Chase and Tee. I would add Yoshi as well, he is an example of small college football program,but making the most of it.

(03-17-2025, 08:24 PM)Luvnit2 Wrote: [ -> ]We only have 6 picks. What do we gain by cutting Pratt now? I hope they wait and make the decision after preseason. He also may have changed his mind, if so we would have no credible source to know it.

I like Pratt and feel if Golden coaches him properly (not go for strips all the time), he can be a very good LB. He has very good instincts and a ton of experience.I think Moss and Stone should be in the same boat also.

Moss is gone IMO and Stone it just depends on the draft I think.

(03-17-2025, 10:29 PM)Isaac Curtis: The Real #85 Wrote: [ -> ]I don't really see Pratt being traded or cut at this point.

I mean, we'd gain some cap space, but we already have space enough to do more than we are doing. Why is Moss still here, for instance?

And we'd create another hole to fill. I think if Golden wanted to move on from him, we'd already have done so.

Moss is still here because they wanna see if he gets cleared so they can just cut him and not have to worry about a medical settlement.....makes perfect sense.

(03-18-2025, 12:24 AM)Luvnit2 Wrote: [ -> ]I classify Burton more as an immature spoiled athlete.

Hope he grows up fast, he could not have 2 better mentors in Chase and Tee. I would add Yoshi as well, he is an example of small college football program,but making the most of it.

It would be nice if Chase and Tee could reach him. Unfortunately, i don't think his brain is penetrable. 

Would Will Hernandez be an option at G?

(03-17-2025, 06:41 PM)007BengalsFan Wrote: [ -> ]It's hard to say we have improved when it's basically the same roster as last year.  What new starters do we have?  Slaton taking over Rankins spot?  Maybe you count that but Kris Jenkins had more starts than Rankins.    Ford and Volson both started games last year on offense.  Ossai started a few games at DE last year.  Its the same group of guys on a team that went 9-8.  I agree, this team still needs a lot more work before we talk Super Bowl caliber.

It might be close to the same roster, but when you look at it closer it really isn't. Slaton is taking over for Rankins, but Jenkins and McKinley should both be a lot better in their second year, and they looked pretty good last year for rookies. Dax Hill wasn't playing last year but will be back this year. Cam Sample wasn't playing last year but is back. Oren Burkes I think will be much better for us than ADG. Hubbard, love him, but he was horrible playing hurt last year. Ossai and Murphy should be better at DE. Logan Wilson should be healty. DJ Turner should be healthy. Zach Moss, if he's still around, should be healthy. Adn finally, hopefully McMaybe is back to healthy again. Same team, but there was a lot going on last year people tend to overlook

(03-18-2025, 08:16 AM)Sled21 Wrote: [ -> ]It might be close to the same roster, but when you look at it closer it really isn't. Slaton is taking over for Rankins, but Jenkins and McKinley should both be a lot better in their second year, and they looked pretty good last year for rookies. Dax Hill wasn't playing last year but will be back this year. Cam Sample wasn't playing last year but is back. Oren Burkes I think will be much better for us than ADG. Hubbard, love him, but he was horrible playing hurt last year. Ossai and Murphy should be better at DE. Logan Wilson should be healty. DJ Turner should be healthy. Zach Moss, if he's still around, should be healthy. Adn finally, hopefully McMaybe is back to healthy again. Same team, but there was a lot going on last year people tend to overlook

Let’s not forget that our second best player was a position coach all off season. Burrow also didn’t have fully healthy offseason. And the coach turnover, and they are not done yet…

Oh, they had coin flip games with the class of the AFC in KC and Baltimore.

Last year was very unlucky.

(03-18-2025, 08:16 AM)Sled21 Wrote: [ -> ]It might be close to the same roster, but when you look at it closer it really isn't. Slaton is taking over for Rankins, but Jenkins and McKinley should both be a lot better in their second year, and they looked pretty good last year for rookies. Dax Hill wasn't playing last year but will be back this year. Cam Sample wasn't playing last year but is back. Oren Burkes I think will be much better for us than ADG. Hubbard, love him, but he was horrible playing hurt last year. Ossai and Murphy should be better at DE. Logan Wilson should be healty. DJ Turner should be healthy. Zach Moss, if he's still around, should be healthy. Adn finally, hopefully McMaybe is back to healthy again. Same team, but there was a lot going on last year people tend to overlook

It’s the same roster. For every IF you just said, the opposite could be said. Ever seen a player regress? What if Hendrickson gets just 12 sacks. What if Mims, Jenkins, Turner regress. What if CTB sucks again. What if Ossai can’t get consistent pressure and Murphy gets 2 sacks all year. What if Hill is injured again. What if OBJ gets injured.


The starting roster to this point is 95.45% the same players as last year. One new starter in Slayton.

Props go out for singing Chase and Tee. I think that needed to be done. But that can’t be it. And it appears that was the plan all along. Hang our hat on the moral victory of singing our two receivers.


It’s okay to be critical. I know we’re all passionate fans. Why else would we be here posting to a message board lol. I’ll cheer as loud as any fan. Probably cry if they win a superbowl. But I’ll be vocal in my opinions of this team not being good enough. This was the biggest offseason of the JB era and so far we have the exact same team. Yeah things could be worse. We could hypothetically lost Chase next year and tee next year. So I’m glad we got them signed. But this isn’t enough to go in to the playoffs and win 3-4 games, in a row, against the league’s best teams.

(03-17-2025, 11:55 PM)sandwedge Wrote: [ -> ]I believe we lost a couple of games last year because our kicking game couldn't get it right.

Absolutely we lost a couple that way and also some via terrible terrible offensive coaching/play calls when inside the opponents 35-40 yard line in getting either way too conservative or continually throwing those all or nothing deep fades on 3rd/4th and 1. I believe it's true that teams are never as bad as they seem or as good as it looks. 

KC game was wrapped up and, naturally, they get a call on the last play of the game. Lose a fumble against NE on the goal line and then another terrible officiating call on a TD catch that was admitted to be wrong. Add in the BS officiating at the end of the Ravens game OTR and we're talking  3-4 more wins, a playoff berth and probably a home game. Sure, every team has their SOB stories but these were just so so bad going against Cinci. Take KC and all their breaks. Again, a team is never as good or bad as it seems.

(03-18-2025, 01:12 AM)rfaulk34 Wrote: [ -> ]It would be nice if Chase and Tee could reach him. Unfortunately, i don't think his brain is penetrable. 

Chad should teach him to live at the stadium. What a wasted opportunity, at least set a good impression before you act like a fool.

zac on the hot seat, burrow is never, he pulled his weight. only people who have pulled their weight are burrow, chase, trey. tee hopefully plays every game and has a monster year. we are going to joke the first hamstring incident.

the funny part of whether he is on the hot seat or not is he doesn't care, it doesn't negatively affect him I think. Some people want to make the decisions and live with the consequences.

(03-18-2025, 09:05 AM)Ell Prez Wrote: [ -> ]It’s the same roster. For every IF you just said, the opposite could be said. Ever seen a player regress? What if Hendrickson gets just 12 sacks. What if Mims, Jenkins, Turner regress. What if CTB sucks again. What if Ossai can’t get consistent pressure and Murphy gets 2 sacks all year. What if Hill is injured again. What if OBJ gets injured.


The starting roster to this point is 95.45% the same players as last year. One new starter in Slayton.

Props go out for singing Chase and Tee. I think that needed to be done. But that can’t be it. And it appears that was the plan all along. Hang our hat on the moral victory of singing our two receivers.


It’s okay to be critical. I know we’re all passionate fans. Why else would we be here posting to a message board lol. I’ll cheer as loud as any fan. Probably cry if they win a superbowl. But I’ll be vocal in my opinions of this team not being good enough. This was the biggest offseason of the JB era and so far we have the exact same team. Yeah things could be worse. We could hypothetically lost Chase next year and tee next year. So I’m glad we got them signed. But this isn’t enough to go in to the playoffs and win 3-4 games, in a row, against the league’s best teams.

Yes, it is your right to be critical. It is also members right to challenge your thought process.

The Bengals have been an average team the past 2 years going  9-8. The good news is they shall have no distraction from Chase and Tee heading into camp. Yes, they have added 1 starter while losing no starters to date. Hilton is still available, we may lose him.

There are teams who have improved their roster on paper like the Bills and lots of bad teams who have lots of cap space. Others like the Chiefs are regressed on the paper. The Steelers do not have a starting QB nor do the Giants. The Raven's have lost the net of starters gained to starters lost. So have the Browns.

I would argue the Bills on paper are the best team in the league and the Chiefs on paper are now 2nd or 3rd. Why mention it? The hill to climb in 2025 may not be as steep attempting to catch the top team in the AFC. It all matters, our 2025 schedule matters.

I will say I am happy where we sit less than one week within free agency. I will add I loved the. fact we cut 2 undr performers and forced Hibbar to retire. That is a new step for us, not showing blind loyalty and hoping a guy who had a bad year gets better. I will also add we need 2 guards, not 1 still. 

The bad news is we have not addressed our guard situation at all yet and the defense only limited. The good new is it is less than one week into free agency and far from over.

I did not respond to change your view, it is apparent you are dug in, I responded to share my view less than 1 week into free agency.

(03-18-2025, 09:05 AM)Ell Prez Wrote: [ -> ]It’s the same roster. For every IF you just said, the opposite could be said. Ever seen a player regress? What if Hendrickson gets just 12 sacks. What if Mims, Jenkins, Turner regress. What if CTB sucks again. What if Ossai can’t get consistent pressure and Murphy gets 2 sacks all year. What if Hill is injured again. What if OBJ gets injured.


The starting roster to this point is 95.45% the same players as last year. One new starter in Slayton.

Props go out for singing Chase and Tee. I think that needed to be done. But that can’t be it. And it appears that was the plan all along. Hang our hat on the moral victory of singing our two receivers.


It’s okay to be critical. I know we’re all passionate fans. Why else would we be here posting to a message board lol. I’ll cheer as loud as any fan. Probably cry if they win a superbowl. But I’ll be vocal in my opinions of this team not being good enough. This was the biggest offseason of the JB era and so far we have the exact same team. Yeah things could be worse. We could hypothetically lost Chase next year and tee next year. So I’m glad we got them signed. But this isn’t enough to go in to the playoffs and win 3-4 games, in a row, against the league’s best teams.

Honestly, regression in a positive direction is much more likely from a large majority of the roster. This is due to the not great play from young guys, history says they usually get better with time.

If all the players you mentioned have the outcomes you listed, sure it’s likely a 9-8 team. But if just a few players on defense improve, that will have a fairly large impact.

Joe Burrow Hotseat? Have you seen his contract? He isn't going anywhere.

Zac Taylor on the other hand is definitely on the hot seat with the lack of development from coaching. Shame Al Golden might only get one season as an NFL DC.

(03-18-2025, 09:50 AM)Synric Wrote: [ -> ]Joe Burrow Hotseat? Have you seen his contract? He isn't going anywhere.

Zac Taylor on the other hand is definitely on the hot seat with the lack of development from coaching. Shame Al Golden might only get one season as an NFL DC.

Minimum 2 years for golden.

I don't know about the hot seat other that he's taking snaps behind a crap O-line. The front office is on the hot seat. You signed all these office toys, but we need at least mid-tier defense & like I said O-line needs help. Hope that the our new D coach can influence the drafting.

(03-18-2025, 09:05 AM)Ell Prez Wrote: [ -> ]It’s the same roster. For every IF you just said, the opposite could be said. Ever seen a player regress? What if Hendrickson gets just 12 sacks. What if Mims, Jenkins, Turner regress. What if CTB sucks again. What if Ossai can’t get consistent pressure and Murphy gets 2 sacks all year. What if Hill is injured again. What if OBJ gets injured.


The starting roster to this point is 95.45% the same players as last year. One new starter in Slayton.

Props go out for singing Chase and Tee. I think that needed to be done. But that can’t be it. And it appears that was the plan all along. Hang our hat on the moral victory of singing our two receivers.


It’s okay to be critical. I know we’re all passionate fans. Why else would we be here posting to a message board lol. I’ll cheer as loud as any fan. Probably cry if they win a superbowl. But I’ll be vocal in my opinions of this team not being good enough. This was the biggest offseason of the JB era and so far we have the exact same team. Yeah things could be worse. We could hypothetically lost Chase next year and tee next year. So I’m glad we got them signed. But this isn’t enough to go in to the playoffs and win 3-4 games, in a row, against the league’s best teams.

Agreed. Somehow since extending Chase and Tee, some of the board is now seeing our defense as much improved.

Slaton is an improvement over the guys off the street we signed. He's not DJ Reader though either. He was ranked pretty bad by PFF.

We need a Guard and that will rely on Volson starting. A starting DE. And a Safety at minimum. Then, something at CB.