(11-04-2015, 11:05 AM)Au165 Wrote: You point to your friend/acquaintance who has had his life "ruined" by Marijuana. Have you ever known anyone who is an alcoholic? How about someone who spends more money then they have to spend on scratch off lottery tickets? What about those big casino's we just built in Ohio, know anyone who messed up their lives in one of those? Caffeine is in fact a drug, but it is used by most our country every day including children but we don't seem care about that. Nicotine? Heck yea! It's everywhere. While we have pushed back against Tobacco in recent years it is still widely consumed even by *GASP*..... children!

The issue is, people with addictive personalities can become addicted to almost anything. Addiction in almost any form can ruin peoples lives in different ways. I am not in favor of protecting those with addictive personalities from themselves. If something doesn't create a chemical dependence (interestingly enough nicotine and caffeine do) then I am all for letting people do what they like. I don't smoke, never have, but I think the idea of Marijuana being illegal is a hypocritical way for people to try and take a moral high ground. 

- The "It's not addicting" argument is a moot point to me. I don't care if it's addicting or not. Other than medically, the purpose of it is to get F'd up (unless for medical purposes) and a line has to be drawn. Weed is the line for Ohioans. 

- I didn't say his life is ruined.

- My father was a "functioning" alcoholic. As was his mother, and his sister.

- I know people with gambling addictions.

- I know people who spend more money than they have on weed.

- The caffeine is a drug argument is classic and so funny! It's hilarious, really.

- NONE of your mentioned legalized activities impair people when used responsibly. NONE. You can go gamble and still be sober. You can smoke a cigarette and be sober. You can have a beer or two and be sober. You can drink a cup of coffee or soda and be sober. YOU CAN'T SMOKE WEED AND BE SOBER. Equating it to something like caffeine is ludicrous.

(11-04-2015, 11:16 AM)XenoMorph Wrote: you are wrong about your assesment but carry on

You are wrong about your assestment of me being wrong, but carry on.

^ See how that works?

(11-04-2015, 11:18 AM)PDub80 Wrote: - The "It's not addicting" argument is a moot point to me. I don't care if it's addicting or not. Other than medically, the purpose of it is to get F'd up (unless for medical purposes) and a line has to be drawn. Weed is the line for Ohioans. 

- I didn't say his life is ruined.

- My father was a "functioning" alcoholic. As was his mother, and his sister.

- I know people with gambling addictions.

- I know people who spend more money than they have on weed.

- The caffeine is a drug argument is classic and so funny! It's hilarious, really.

- NONE of your mentioned legalized activities impair people when used responsibly. NONE. You can go gamble and still be sober. You can smoke a cigarette and be sober. You can have a beer or two and be sober. You can drink a cup of coffee or soda and be sober. YOU CAN'T SMOKE WEED AND BE SOBER. Equating it to something like caffeine is ludicrous.

Why do you care if Joe Blow goes home, fires up a joint and stays home?  Who cares if he is impaired if he's at home?  Is it really worth wasting billions of dollars while at the same time making scumbag dealers rich?

(11-04-2015, 11:19 AM)PDub80 Wrote: You are wrong about your assestment of me being wrong, but carry on.

^ See how that works?

The funny this is everything that you say that's wrong about marijuana you could say about alcohol. Plus alcohol is physically addicting, and more harmful to your body. It's just a very very hypocritical stance.

(11-04-2015, 11:18 AM)PDub80 Wrote: - The "It's not addicting" argument is a moot point to me. I don't care if it's addicting or not. Other than medically, the purpose of it is to get F'd up (unless for medical purposes) and a line has to be drawn. Weed is the line for Ohioans. 

- I didn't say his life is ruined.

- My father was a "functioning" alcoholic. As was his mother, and his sister.

- I know people with gambling addictions.

- I know people who spend more money than they have on weed.

- The caffeine is a drug argument is classic and so funny! It's hilarious, really.

- NONE of your mentioned legalized activities impair people when used responsibly. NONE. You can go gamble and still be sober. You can smoke a cigarette and be sober. You can have a beer or two and be sober. You can drink a cup of coffee or soda and be sober. YOU CAN'T SMOKE WEED AND BE SOBER. Equating it to something like caffeine is ludicrous.

Okay let's knock a couple of these out..

You ever been to a college party? The only point of Alcohol being there is in fact to get ****** up. Should alcohol be illegal in these cases then? Should we arrest anyone who has gotten "****** Up"?

You said you don't wish that on future generations, making one assume it has negatively impacted his life. Semantics really.

I know plenty of functioning people who use marijuana.

That gambling addiction ruins lives and families, and leads to plenty of suicides.

They spend more money on weed then they have like people do on alcohol

Caffeine is a drug. Just because it is socially acceptable doesn't mean it is not a drug. I am sorry that you disagree with science.

You don't care if someone gets wasted in bars, but because someone chooses to get high it's a problem? Is it illegal to get wasted? Your argument would work if it was, but since it isn't why does it matter if one leads directly to intoxication while the other is often used for that very same purpose?

One other quick thing. What defines sober? Is it a number? Whats the metric? You can surely smoke weed and not be "High" the same way you can drink alcohol and not be drunk. I am sure, just like only drinking a single beer has no effect on me simply taking a small hit of a joint would have very little impact on others. To claim you can't be sober makes no sense.

(11-04-2015, 11:01 AM)nevergonnachange Wrote: And you're obviously unaware of how to have a civil discourse...

Yeah, I know exactly what the bill was pushing and I didn't care.  Do you really think the result would be different if the bill was simply, 'pot is now legal just like alcohol?'  

How much money has been spent on the War on Drugs?  Do you think it's been a huge success?  I think it's a huge waste of taxpayer money to keep people from harming...nobody but themselves.

Marijuana will eventually be legal, its only a matter of time. 

Supporting this garbage legislation would have been a mistake. 

(11-04-2015, 11:44 AM)WeezyBengal Wrote: Marijuana will eventually be legal, its only a matter of time. 

Supporting this garbage legislation would have been a mistake. 

This is pretty much the bottom line. People can pretend like it isn't coming, but it is. It is going to have to be done in a better way than what was proposed. Interestingly enough people that had no care either way voted it down out of principal on the monopoly. 

(11-04-2015, 11:52 AM)Au165 Wrote: This is pretty much the bottom line. People can pretend like it isn't coming, but it is. It is going to have to be done in a better way than what was proposed. Interestingly enough people that had no care either way voted it down out of principal on the monopoly. 

Seems like it was set up in a way that was doomed from the start.

(11-04-2015, 12:00 PM)McC Wrote: Seems like it was set up in a way that was doomed from the start.

They were banking on the young and dumb who want nothing more than to get high to trump those who see the perils of letting them have a monopoly. We did this once with the Casinos I am glad we stopped it from happening again.

(11-04-2015, 11:36 AM)Au165 Wrote: Okay let's knock a couple of these out..

You ever been to a college party? The only point of Alcohol being there is in fact to get ***** up. Should alcohol be illegal in these cases then? Should we arrest anyone who has gotten "***** Up"?

You said you don't wish that on future generations, making one assume it has negatively impacted his life. Semantics really.

I know plenty of functioning people who use marijuana.

That gambling addiction ruins lives and families, and leads to plenty of suicides.

They spend more money on weed then they have like people do on alcohol

Caffeine is a drug. Just because it is socially acceptable doesn't mean it is not a drug. I am sorry that you disagree with science.

You don't care if someone gets wasted in bars, but because someone chooses to get high it's a problem? Is it illegal to get wasted? Your argument would work if it was, but since it isn't why does it matter if one leads directly to intoxication while the other is often used for that very same purpose?

One other quick thing. What defines sober? Is it a number? Whats the metric? You can surely smoke weed and not be "High" the same way you can drink alcohol and not be drunk. There are varying degrees of THC and I am sure just like only drinking a beer has no effect on me simply taking a small hit of a joint would have very little impact on others.

- College kids should not set people's standards... If that's your bench mark and a basis for your argument... whoa boy!

- That's not semantics. You drew an incorrect conclusion.

- Addiction to anything can ruin peoples lives and nearly ANYTHING can be addicting to someone in some way. AGAIN YOU BRING UP ADDICTION. IT'S NOT ABOUT ADDICTION. It's about purpose.

- Functioning people vs. people who don't is a matter of opinion. Lots of people don't function to a high standard because of lots of things. It doesn't factor into what my arguement is: Which none of you have addressed. You keep bringing up addiction and other BS stuff to skirt around the issue of the purpose of weed.

- I didn't say caffeine isn't a drug. It is not comparable to weed. I stated why and you ignored it because it debases your thought process on injecting it into the discussion.

- I didn't say I didn't care if people get wasted in bars. People can abuse lots of things to get high or wasted. Weed does not need to be abused or misused to get high or wasted. AGAIN, YOU IGNORE THIS POINT AND CONTINUE TO BRING UP OTHER THINGS THAT DO REQUIRE ABUSE OR MASS CONSUMPTION TO TRY AND COMPARE. That doesn't work as it relates to the discussion we're having.

- To legalize another substance for people to use to get wasted and be out in public is absurd to me.

- One quick thing..... Your argument with this bullet point is philosophical and contrarian. It skirts the main issue and ignores the purpose of weed for recreational drug use. I'm sure people can take a small amount of cocaine and lots of other drugs, too, and be perfectly fine. Where is the line drawn?

- And, please, this is not about anyone judging anyone else for using drugs. I don't care what you, or even some of my best friend's do. What I care about is the over all direction of our society and country and, to me, a line has to be drawn on what is socially acceptable out in the general public.

Again, why does society as a whole need or even want another way to get F'd up and check out? Is life THAT hard or boring? Or has society become soft and is now reliant on chemical solutions to help their problems?

(11-04-2015, 12:18 PM)PDub80 Wrote: - College kids should not set people's standards... If that's your bench mark and a basis for your argument... whoa boy!

- That's not semantics.

- Addiction to anything can ruin peoples lives and nearly ANYTHING can be addicting to someone in some way. AGAIN YOU BRING UP ADDICTION. IT'S NOT ABOUT ADDICTION. It's about purpose.

- Functioning people vs. people who don't is a matter of opinion. Lots of people don't function to a high standard because of lots of things. It doesn't factor into what my arguement is: Which none of you have addressed. You keep bringing up addiction and other BS stuff to skirt around the issue of the purpose of weed.

- I didn't say caffeine isn't a drug. It is not comparable to weed. I stated why and you ignored it because it debases your thought process on injecting it into the discussion.

- I didn't say I didn't care if people get wasted in bars. People can abuse lots of things to get high or wasted. Weed does not need to be abused or misused to get high or wasted. AGAIN, YOU IGNORE THIS POINT AND CONTINUE TO BRING UP OTHER THINGS THAT DO REQUIRE ABUSE OR MASS CONSUMPTION TO TRY AND COMPARE. That doesn't work here.

- To legalize another substance for people to use to get wasted and be out in public is absurd to me.

- One quick thing..... Your argument here is philosophical and contrarian. It skirts the main issue and ignores the purpose of weed for recreational drug use. I'm sure people can take a small amount of cocaine and lots of other drugs, too. Where is the line drawn?

Again, why does society as a whole need or even want another way to get F'd up and check out? Is life THAT hard or has society become soft and is now reliant on chemical solutions to help their problems?

Have you ever smoked weed? If you haven't how do you know that you can't just be buzzed just like alcohol? How do you know someone wouldn't  want to take a couple of puffs to relax? Your argument is based off that marijuana is only used to get "wasted". That's just completely wrong it's funny. 

(11-04-2015, 12:03 PM)Au165 Wrote: They were banking on the young and dumb who want nothing more than to get high to trump those who see the perils of letting them have a monopoly. We did this once with the Casinos I am glad we stopped it from happening again.

your not realistically gonna find a group of backers to throw their money into getting it on a bill and setting up the needed infrastructure without a gaurentee on return on investement.

Yes lets just throw all our money at this to get it legalized so everyone else can make money but not us... Thats just dumb.

(11-04-2015, 12:18 PM)PDub80 Wrote: - College kids should not set people's standards... If that's your bench mark and a basis for your argument... whoa boy!

- That's not semantics.

- Addiction to anything can ruin peoples lives and nearly ANYTHING can be addicting to someone in some way. AGAIN YOU BRING UP ADDICTION. IT'S NOT ABOUT ADDICTION. It's about purpose.

- Functioning people vs. people who don't is a matter of opinion. Lots of people don't function to a high standard because of lots of things. It doesn't factor into what my arguement is: Which none of you have addressed. You keep bringing up addiction and other BS stuff to skirt around the issue of the purpose of weed.

- I didn't say caffeine isn't a drug. It is not comparable to weed. I stated why and you ignored it because it debases your thought process on injecting it into the discussion.

- I didn't say I didn't care if people get wasted in bars. People can abuse lots of things to get high or wasted. Weed does not need to be abused or misused to get high or wasted. AGAIN, YOU IGNORE THIS POINT AND CONTINUE TO BRING UP OTHER THINGS THAT DO REQUIRE ABUSE OR MASS CONSUMPTION TO TRY AND COMPARE. That doesn't work here.

- To legalize another substance for people to use to get wasted and be out in public is absurd to me.

- One quick thing..... Your argument here is philosophical and contrarian. It skirts the main issue and ignores the purpose of weed for recreational drug use. I'm sure people can take a small amount of cocaine and lots of other drugs, too. Where is the line drawn?

- And, please, this is not about anyone judging anyone else for using drugs. I don't care what you, or even some of my best friend's do. What I care about is the over all direction of our society and country and, to me, a line has to be drawn on what is socially acceptable out in the general public.

Again, why does society as a whole need or even want another way to get F'd up and check out? Is life THAT hard or boring? Or has society become soft and is now reliant on chemical solutions to help their problems?

Not its not about judging it appears to be about your lack of knownledge and experience on the subject...

Booze doesnt agree with everyone i dont really like to drink it doesnt help me relax and causes stomach issues and bad driving..

the difference between marijauna and the rest of the drugs is one is a plant the rest are manufactored. like booze by man.

(11-04-2015, 12:26 PM)XenoMorph Wrote: Not its not about judging it appears to be about your lack of knownledge and experience on the subject...  

Booze doesnt agree with everyone i dont really like to drink it doesnt help me relax and causes stomach issues and bad driving..

the difference between marijauna and the rest of the drugs is one is a plant the rest are manufactored. like booze by man.

Booze can be made in nature.
Fermented plant-life creates alcohol.
There are many documented cases of animals eating fruit off the ground and getting drunk from it, or pumpkins sitting outside too long after Halloween. 
Man just refined and perfected it. 

Just like pot gets dried and cured similarly to tobacco, it involves human steps to get it where we want it.

(11-04-2015, 12:23 PM)XenoMorph Wrote: your not realistically gonna find a group of backers to throw their money into getting it on a bill and setting up the needed infrastructure without a gaurentee on return on investement.

Yes lets just throw all our money at this to get it legalized so everyone else can make money but not us... Thats just dumb.

I am pretty sure pot got legalized in other states without the monopoly part, but I may be incorrect on that.

(11-04-2015, 12:22 PM)Brownshoe Wrote: Have you ever smoked weed? If you haven't how do you know that you can't just be buzzed just like alcohol? How do you know someone wouldn't  want to take a couple of puffs to relax? Your argument is based off that marijuana is only used to get "wasted". That's just completely wrong it's funny. 

(11-04-2015, 12:26 PM)XenoMorph Wrote: Not its not about judging it appears to be about your lack of knownledge and experience on the subject...  

Booze doesnt agree with everyone i dont really like to drink it doesnt help me relax and causes stomach issues and bad driving..

the difference between marijauna and the rest of the drugs is one is a plant the rest are manufactored. like booze by man.

Oh boy... Now it's the idea that you can't relax without weed. 

Maybe instead of doing drugs and ingesting things to chemically change their mood to "relax"   , people should reevaluate thier life choices and eliminate these incredible stress inducers they have? See, because after someone sobers up, the causes of stress are still going to be there. So, it really doesn't "help"... it distracts from handling your real life shit. Which is my whole point... society has real world problems that they use drugs to avoid.

I know you play video games, XenoMorph... Do you get high when you play video games?

(11-04-2015, 12:39 PM)PDub80 Wrote: Oh boy... Now it's the idea that you can't relax without weed. 

Maybe instead of doing drugs and ingesting things to chemically change their mood to "relax"   , people should reevaluate thier life choices and eliminate these incredible stress inducers they have? See, because after someone sobers up, the causes of stress are still going to be there. So, it really doesn't "help"... it distracts from handling your real life shit. Which is my whole point... society has real world problems that they use drugs to avoid.

What's the point of acohol, and tabacco then? 

Nobody said that you need marijuana to relax. Its just used for that purpose too. Just like how pills doctors prescribe. Maybe some people don't want to take a pill and insted just smoke to relax?

Your point that people should reevaluate their life of they're stressed is hilarious too. What if your family is making you stressed? **** them then right? LOL! What about your job being stressful? **** it, and just work at Wendy's. Your perception of reality is way off.

(11-04-2015, 12:18 PM)PDub80 Wrote: Again, why does society as a whole need or even want another way to get F'd up and check out? Is life THAT hard or boring? Or has society become soft and is now reliant on chemical solutions to help their problems?

Have you ever drank alcohol in your life, even one drink?

(11-04-2015, 12:43 PM)Brownshoe Wrote: What's the point of acohol, and tabacco then? 

Nobody said that you need marijuana to relax. Its just used for that purpose too. Just like how pills doctors prescribe. Maybe some people don't want to take a pill and insted just smoke to relax?

Your point that people should reevaluate their life of they're stressed is hilarious too. What if your family is making you stressed? **** them then right? LOL! What about your job being stressful? **** it, and just work at Wendy's. Your perception of reality is way off.

Now there's a bigger epidemic that weed.
Much more of a problem is the over-prescription of opioids and other pain killers that people get addicted to and then move on to heroin, unlike the idiotic claim that pot is a gateway drug, opioid pain killers actually have a researched link to later addictions 

(11-04-2015, 12:43 PM)Brownshoe Wrote: Your point that people should reevaluate their life of they're stressed is hilarious too. What if your family is making you stressed? **** them then right? LOL! What about your job being stressful? **** it, and just work at Wendy's. Your perception of reality is way off.

His comment is a joke. Millions of Americans are technically addicted to caffeine and require it to function properly every day of their life. If they give it up the experience physical withdrawal symptoms of head aches, nausea, and irritability all of which fit the definition of withdrawal symptoms. Yet, he acts like caffeine is not a drug when it does the very thing he scolds people for with alcohol and weed. I would bet that he, or those in his family, use caffeine in some manor often yet because his moral compass says it's okay he laughs at the notion that it is a drug that can have negative effects on people.