(03-26-2021, 05:46 PM)Luvnit2 Wrote: Again, someone explain to Wes and me how Gio is worth 4.1 million and Fournette was worth 2.5 million in a normal cap year.

Gio is  2 million dollar back on high end

Gio versus Fournette closer than Mixon to him

Player A: 600 yards from scrimmage, 6 TDs on 133 touches
Player B: 771 yards from scrimmage, 6 TDs on 171 touches

Player A is Fournette, who was almost half the cost of Bernard (player B).

It's also worth noting Fournette had 1674 yards from scrimmage in 2019. Bernard is overpaid.

(03-26-2021, 05:46 PM)Luvnit2 Wrote: Again, someone explain to Wes and me how Gio is worth 4.1 million and Fournette was worth 2.5 million in a normal cap year.

I won't argue that Gio is not overpaid, but Fournette is an outlier.  He missed half of his final year in college with injury and has never once played a full season in the NFL.  That is why he can only get cheap contracts.

(03-26-2021, 05:46 PM)Luvnit2 Wrote: Again, someone explain to Wes and me how Gio is worth 4.1 million and Fournette was worth 2.5 million in a normal cap year.

Gio is  2 million dollar back on high end

Gio versus Fournette closer than Mixon to him

Call Katie Blackburn and have her explain it to you since negotiating contracts is her job.

(03-26-2021, 08:28 AM)Bengalitis Wrote: I thought Mixon would have been our answer after Rudy. And he was for 2 seasons. His blocking is bad and his injuries are becoming AJ-esque. I wouldnt mind trading him.

Gio is a really good pass protector, but Mixon isn't really bad. 

Mixon:
2020 - 24 pblk snaps, 0 pressures. 0 sacks, 0 hits- 24+ snaps per pressure
2019 - 78 pblk snaps, 6 pressures. 0 sacks, 1 hit-- 13 snaps per pressure
2018 - 43 pblk snaps, 6 pressures. 0 sacks, 3 hits-- 7 snaps per pressure
2017 - 21 pblk snaps, 1 pressure. 0 sacks, 0 hits-- 21 snaps per pressure

Gio:
2020 - 72 pblk snaps, 4 pressures. 0 sacks, 0 hits-- 18 snaps per pressure
2019 - 100 pblk snaps, 3 pressures. 0 sacks, 1 hit-- 33 snaps per pressure
2018 - 44 pblk snaps, 3 pressures. 0 sacks, 0 hits-- 15 snaps per pressure
2017 - 95 pblk snaps, 5 pressures. 1 sack, 0 hits--- 19 snaps per pressure
2016 - 64 pblk snaps, 2 pressures. 1 sack, 0 hits--- 32 snaps per pressure
2015 - 112 pblk snaps, 18 pressures. 3 sacks, 2 hits- 6 snaps per pressure
2014 - 81 pblk snaps, 9 pressures. 0 sacks, 1 hit----- 9 snaps per pressure
2013 - 112 pblk snaps, 6 pressures. 0 sacks, 1 hit-- 19 snaps per pressure

(03-26-2021, 10:01 AM)TJ528 Wrote: and that falls on Duke and the Front Office.  For the people saying Mikey boy isnt involved anymore.

This is why it makes it look like he's still involved.  Ineptitude of the front office to fix issues that need taken care of urgently.

Could be that Duke and Zac both think there's plenty of talent on the OL and we dont need anymore additions.  

Neither one are going to answer that question so it's only a guess.  

They have 2 good, starting quality tackles, Hopkins is on track to be back early, they have at least 2 serviceable guards and it's highly likely they will get a potentially good guard in rd2 of the draft, if they don't take Sewell at #5OA. 

They're not desperate for Oline atm, like they were in the middle of last year. 

(03-26-2021, 10:32 AM)fredtoast Wrote: Here is what he gets paid each year under the deal

$14.3 million..2020
$ 5.4 million..2021
$ 8.7 million..2022
$10.1 million..2023
$10.3 million..2024

Five year $48.8 million.  Less than $10 million per year.

So...you're saying he's not grossly overpaid?

I bet that was tough to find... 

(03-26-2021, 11:26 PM)rfaulk34 Wrote: They have 2 good, starting quality tackles, Hopkins is on track to be back early, they have at least 2 serviceable guards and it's highly likely they will get a potentially good guard in rd2 of the draft, if they don't take Sewell at #5OA. 

They're not desperate for Oline atm, like they were in the middle of last year. 

Give it time... The first days of OTAs and training camp aren't upon us yet.

(03-27-2021, 12:15 AM)jason Wrote: Give it time... The first days of OTAs and training camp aren't upon us yet.

Yeah, i didn't want to talk about injuries right now. They'll come soon enough...

(03-25-2021, 02:29 PM)GreenCornBengal Wrote: Love Gio, but we’ve been exorcising all things from the Marvin Lewis era and I don’t see why we shouldn’t send him off too if we can get decent compensation. Always seems to be young backs from the draft who can step in nicely when needed.

Yeah, it's "everything Marvin is bad" in the minds of the Bengals front office and its massively underachieving coaching staff. Sadly, however, "everything Marvin" did win a lot games.

 

I’d trade gio if the price was right. Probably like a 4 or 5 or something

(03-27-2021, 09:04 PM)Gdale_Bengal Wrote: I’d trade gio if the price was right. Probably like a 4 or 5 or something

I would probably take a 4th for him.

(03-27-2021, 09:08 PM)Nicomo Cosca Wrote: I would probably take a 4th for him.

I would take a 6th to dump his salary

(03-28-2021, 08:32 AM)Luvnit2 Wrote: I would take a 6th to dump his salary

See this is why I think the report of "multiple teams" calling for Gio is false or at the very least embellished.

Who would want to overpay for Gio's services?

Is this a ploy to convey his salary value to the general public/fans... by claiming that not just one team wants him but multiple teams do?

The flip side is if these so called multiple teams offered next to nothing for him they might be able to restructure his contract with some leverage.

(03-26-2021, 05:46 PM)Luvnit2 Wrote: Again, someone explain to Wes and me how Gio is worth 4.1 million and Fournette was worth 2.5 million in a normal cap year.

Gio is  2 million dollar back on high end

Gio versus Fournette closer than Mixon to him

Agree!!! How the hell are we paying our rb position so much money. Have a good oline and most backs can run through holes at the nfl level. I understand Gio is good at pass pro but you dont pay a rb 4 mill to block no matter how good he is at it. He is also getting older so dont hang on till you cant get anything for him.

(03-26-2021, 05:46 PM)Luvnit2 Wrote: Again, someone explain to Wes and me how Gio is worth 4.1 million and Fournette was worth 2.5 million in a normal cap year.

Because the guy is worth it, he earned that contract by being an excellent personal protector for the QB and is 9th on the team's All Time Receiving list.

Gio is reliable, stays healthy and probably helps keep the locker room in tact. I see him be a part of the Bengals past his career in some capacity.

Gio is a keeper.

(03-28-2021, 08:32 AM)Luvnit2 Wrote: I would take a 6th to dump his salary

Same, the Bengals pay a lot for RBs and aren't getting much value. 

(03-28-2021, 09:54 AM)SunsetBengal Wrote: Because the guy is worth it, he earned that contract by being an excellent personal protector for the QB and is 9th on the team's All Time Receiving list.

Exactly, GB brings value as a change-of-pace runner, receiver and pass protector.

What frustrates me is the FO complete lack of foresight. Do what every other team does: sign him to an extension and bring his cap number down. He’s worth it.

(03-28-2021, 10:05 AM)Bengalitis Wrote: Gio is reliable, stays healthy and probably helps keep the locker room in tact. I see him be a part of the Bengals past his career in some capacity.

Gio is a keeper.

I like Gio.  I know what he brings personality-wise as a Bengals fan.

However in the whole NFL does that make his salary that high?

Personally I hope they keep him and hopefully can restructure a bit.

I just have a hard time buying that multiple teams value Gio at his current salary.

(03-26-2021, 05:52 PM)ochocincos Wrote: Player A: 600 yards from scrimmage, 6 TDs on 133 touches
Player B: 771 yards from scrimmage, 6 TDs on 171 touches

Player A is Fournette, who was almost half the cost of Bernard (player B).

It's also worth noting Fournette had 1674 yards from scrimmage in 2019. Bernard is overpaid.

Not that I disagree with your post, but it's interesting to note that Fournette just signed for 1yr/$4m, compared to the 1yr/$4.1m that Gio will be making this year. Almost dead on.