Steelers
   Kevin Colbert Vice President & General Manager
   Omar Khan Vice President of Football & Business Administration
   Dan Rooney Jr. Player Personnel Coordinator
   Brandon Hunt Pro Scouting Coordinator
   Phil Kreidler College Scouting Coordinator
   Rick Reiprish Senior Assistant, College Scouting
   Mark Bruener College Scout
   Mike Butler College Scout
   Dan Colbert College/Pro Scout
   Kelvin Fisher Scout
   Mark Gorscak College Scout
   Chidi Iwuoma College Scout
   Bruce McNorton College Scout
   Dave Petett Pro/College Scout
   Cole Marcoux Football Administration Coordinator
   Aidan Hennessey-Niland Team Operations Coordinator
   Tosin Kazeem Football Analyst
   Maureen Mannion Administrative Assistant
   Dennis MacInnis BLESTO Scout
   Fawwaz Izzuddin Scouting Intern
   Jay Whitmire Football Analyst

Ravens
Eric DeCosta Executive Vice President & General Manager
   Ozzie Newsome Executive Vice President
   Pat Moriarty Senior Vice President of Football Operations
   Joe Hortiz Director of Player Personnel
   George Kokinis Director of Player Personnel
   Vincent Newsome Senior Player Personnel Executive
   Nick Matteo Director of Football Administration
   David McDonald Director of Research & Development
   Mark Azevedo Assistant Director of College & Pro Personnel
   David Blackburn National Scout
   Brandon Berning Midwest/Southwest Area Scout
   Joey Cleary West Coast Area Scout
   Andrew Raphael Southeast Area Scout
   Bobby Vega East Area Scout
   Kevin Weidl Southeast/Southwest Area Scout
   Q Attenoukon College & Pro Scout
   Maggie Domanowski Administrative Assistant to Player Personnel
   Corey Frazier Pro Scout
   Jenn Hoffman Executive Assistant to the Executive Vice President & General Manager
   Corey Krawiec Manager, Player Evaluations & Analytics
   Sarah Mallepalle Player Personnel Analyst
   Patrick McDonough College & Pro Scout
   Terrell Parker Football Operations Assistant
   Chas Stallard College & Pro Scout
   Patrick Williams College & Pro Scout
   Derrick Yam Quantitative Analyst
   Jameel McClain Director of Player Engagement
   Sarah Snyder Director of Sports Nutrition
   Johnny Shelton Team Chaplain
   O.J. Brigance Senior Advisor to Player Engagement

Browns
Andrew Berry Executive Vice President, Football Operations, General Manager
Kwesi Adofo-Mensah Vice President, Football Operations
   Chris Cooper Vice President, Football Administration
   Ryan Grigson Senior Football Advisor
   Ken Kovash Vice President, Player Personnel Process & Development
   Tyler Hamblin Football Operations Coordinator
   Glenn Cook Vice President, Player Personnel
   Dan Saganey Director, Player Personnel
   Megan Rock Player Personnel Coordinator
   Debra Kruszynski Executive Assistant, Player Personnel/Coaching
   Adam Al-Khayyal Assistant Director, Pro Personnel
   Sam DeLuca Pro Scout
   Branden Francis Pro Scout
   Shaun Herock National Scout
   Charles Walls National Scout
   Zach Ayers Area Scout
   Colton Chapple Area Scout
   Josh Cox Area Scout
   Matt Donahoe Area Scout
   Gerald McCully Area Scout
   Jimmy Noel Area Scout
   Max Paulus Area Scout
   Dan Zegers Area Scout
   Mike Cetta Director, Scouting Research
   Zach Wigmore Scouting Research Coordinator
   Joe Dever Scouting Assistant
   Scott DiBenedetto Scouting Assistant
   Riley Hecklinski Scouting Assistant
   Shane Normandeau Scouting Assistant
   John Nussman Scouting Assistant
   Michael Romanella Scouting Assistant
   Scott Skuteris Scouting Assistant
   Rod Streater Scouting Assistant

Bengals
   Duke Tobin Director of Player Personnel
   Mike Potts Scouting Director (College)
   Steven Radicevic Scouting Director (Pro)
   Bill Tobin Personnel Executive
   Andrew Johnson Scout
   Christian Sarkisian Scout
   Geoff Smith Scouting Technology Consultant
   Debbie LaRocco Personnel Assistant

If you wondering what in the hell this thread is supposed to mean then that's probably understandable. The point of this thead is simple; sometimes seeing is better than hearing.

This really puts into perspective just how much less this franchise invests into the quality of their team.

(05-11-2021, 01:26 PM)Wes Mantooth Wrote: If you wondering what in the hell this thread is supposed to mean then that's probably understandable.  The point of this thead is simple; sometimes seeing is better than hearing.

This really puts into perspective just how much less this franchise invests into the quality of their team.

Does the Media in Cincy ever inquire the team directly
Why it has the smallest front office in the NFL?

(05-11-2021, 01:26 PM)Wes Mantooth Wrote: If you wondering what in the hell this thread is supposed to mean then that's probably understandable.  The point of this thead is simple; sometimes seeing is better than hearing.

This really puts into perspective just how much less this franchise invests into the quality of their team.

This list just really hurts to see.

I'm sure I could dig it up but since you already did the search for these teams, is there any other franchise in the NFL that has a front office as small as the Bengals?

(05-11-2021, 01:44 PM)Murdock2420 Wrote: This list just really hurts to see.

I'm sure I could dig it up but since you already did the search for these teams, is there any other franchise in the NFL that has a front office as small as the Bengals?

No, I don't think there's one even remotely close.

(05-11-2021, 01:42 PM)impactplaya Wrote: Does the Media in Cincy ever inquire the team directly
Why it has the smallest front office in the NFL?

I'm sure they have before but I doubt they've ever got a real explanation.

Great post. One of your best which is high praise.

A picture is worth a thousand words.

Where's Jim McNally on the list?

(05-11-2021, 02:03 PM)Synric Wrote: Where's Jim McNally on the list?

He's not on the team's website as being on staff:  https://www.bengals.com/team/front-office-roster/

Fwiw, I yanked each one of these from each of the teams pages, and exlcuded ownership, trainers, equipment, etc for each team.

Maybe McNally is like a John Cooper when he was here.  A consultant? I'm assuming the team website is reserved for salaried employees.

Great post.  The Browns got us beat 33 to 9 if I counted right.  Let's be very conservative at $50,000/year * 24 (the difference) = $1.2 million.
Now that's how you make money!!

Unfortunately, you left out the GM of the Bengals, Mike Brown.  I would think his salary for that is just built into everything else.  So, if we're looking for those extra millions, we know where to find them.

(05-11-2021, 02:09 PM)Wes Mantooth Wrote: He's not on the team's website as being on staff:  https://www.bengals.com/team/front-office-roster/

Fwiw, I yanked each one of these from each of the teams pages.

Maybe McNally is like a John Cooper when he was here.  A consultant?  I'm assuming the team website is reserved for salaried employees.

Yea McNally is a hired consultant that does a bunch of scouting for the offensive line. I wonder if there 3 or 4 more "consultants" that work with the scouting department.

(05-11-2021, 02:12 PM)Synric Wrote: Yea McNally is a hired consultant that does a bunch of scouting for the offensive line. I wonder if there 3 or 4 more "consultants" that work with the scouting department.

Let's be honest, if Jim McNally was doing a "bunch of scouting" he'd be a full-time employee.  He's 77 years old and probably works (very) part-time.

I wonder if any of these other team also have consultants that aren't shown among team employees.  The discrepancy seen may even grow when accounted for.  (Ex: Benglals 3 consultants, Browns 10, Ravens 8, Steelers 7.)

(05-11-2021, 02:17 PM)Wes Mantooth Wrote: Let's be honest, if Jim McNally was doing a "bunch of scouting" he'd be a full-time employee.  He's 77 years old and probably works (very) part-time.

I wonder if any of these other team also have consultants that aren't shown among team employees.  The discrepancy seen may even grow when accounted for.  (Ex: Benglals 3 consultants, Browns 10, Ravens 8, Steelers 7.)

Jim McNally has been working for the team scouting offensive line since 2011. 

(05-11-2021, 02:19 PM)Synric Wrote: Jim McNally has been working for the team scouting offensive line since 2011. 

I don't recall saying he hasn't.  I said he's not a full-time employee and he most likley works very little.

Fwiw, I'm sure other teams have consultants not shown on this list as well.  The Browns for example had Ryan Grigson, the former Colts GM as a consultant last season before hiring him full time a year later.

(05-11-2021, 01:26 PM)Wes Mantooth Wrote: If you wondering what in the hell this thread is supposed to mean then that's probably understandable.  The point of this thead is simple; sometimes seeing is better than hearing.

This really puts into perspective just how much less this franchise invests into the quality of their team.

Yeah but Jackson Carman pickup is putting us first in the AFC North this year, you didn't get the memo?  

(05-11-2021, 01:20 PM)Wes Mantooth Wrote: Steelers
   Kevin Colbert Vice President & General Manager
   Omar Khan Vice President of Football & Business Administration
   Dan Rooney Jr. Player Personnel Coordinator
   Brandon Hunt Pro Scouting Coordinator
   Phil Kreidler College Scouting Coordinator
   Rick Reiprish Senior Assistant, College Scouting
   Mark Bruener College Scout
   Mike Butler College Scout
   Dan Colbert College/Pro Scout
   Kelvin Fisher Scout
   Mark Gorscak College Scout
   Chidi Iwuoma College Scout
   Bruce McNorton College Scout
   Dave Petett Pro/College Scout
   Cole Marcoux Football Administration Coordinator
   Aidan Hennessey-Niland Team Operations Coordinator
   Tosin Kazeem Football Analyst
   Maureen Mannion Administrative Assistant
   Dennis MacInnis BLESTO Scout
   Fawwaz Izzuddin Scouting Intern
   Jay Whitmire Football Analyst

Ravens
  Eric DeCosta Executive Vice President & General Manager
   Ozzie Newsome Executive Vice President
   Pat Moriarty Senior Vice President of Football Operations
   Joe Hortiz Director of Player Personnel
   George Kokinis Director of Player Personnel
   Vincent Newsome Senior Player Personnel Executive
   Nick Matteo Director of Football Administration
   David McDonald Director of Research & Development
   Mark Azevedo Assistant Director of College & Pro Personnel
   David Blackburn National Scout
   Brandon Berning Midwest/Southwest Area Scout
   Joey Cleary West Coast Area Scout
   Andrew Raphael Southeast Area Scout
   Bobby Vega East Area Scout
   Kevin Weidl Southeast/Southwest Area Scout
   Q Attenoukon College & Pro Scout
   Maggie Domanowski Administrative Assistant to Player Personnel
   Corey Frazier Pro Scout
   Jenn Hoffman Executive Assistant to the Executive Vice President & General Manager
   Corey Krawiec Manager, Player Evaluations & Analytics
   Sarah Mallepalle Player Personnel Analyst
   Patrick McDonough College & Pro Scout
   Terrell Parker Football Operations Assistant
   Chas Stallard College & Pro Scout
   Patrick Williams College & Pro Scout
   Derrick Yam Quantitative Analyst
   Jameel McClain Director of Player Engagement
   Sarah Snyder Director of Sports Nutrition
   Johnny Shelton Team Chaplain
   O.J. Brigance Senior Advisor to Player Engagement

Browns
  Andrew Berry Executive Vice President, Football Operations, General Manager
  Kwesi Adofo-Mensah Vice President, Football Operations
   Chris Cooper Vice President, Football Administration
   Ryan Grigson Senior Football Advisor
   Ken Kovash Vice President, Player Personnel Process & Development
   Tyler Hamblin Football Operations Coordinator
   Glenn Cook Vice President, Player Personnel
   Dan Saganey Director, Player Personnel
   Megan Rock Player Personnel Coordinator
   Debra Kruszynski Executive Assistant, Player Personnel/Coaching
   Adam Al-Khayyal Assistant Director, Pro Personnel
   Sam DeLuca Pro Scout
   Branden Francis Pro Scout
   Shaun Herock National Scout
   Charles Walls National Scout
   Zach Ayers Area Scout
   Colton Chapple Area Scout
   Josh Cox Area Scout
   Matt Donahoe Area Scout
   Gerald McCully Area Scout
   Jimmy Noel Area Scout
   Max Paulus Area Scout
   Dan Zegers Area Scout
   Mike Cetta Director, Scouting Research
   Zach Wigmore Scouting Research Coordinator
   Joe Dever Scouting Assistant
   Scott DiBenedetto Scouting Assistant
   Riley Hecklinski Scouting Assistant
   Shane Normandeau Scouting Assistant
   John Nussman Scouting Assistant
   Michael Romanella Scouting Assistant
   Scott Skuteris Scouting Assistant
   Rod Streater Scouting Assistant

Bengals
   Duke Tobin Director of Player Personnel
   Mike Potts Scouting Director (College)
   Steven Radicevic Scouting Director (Pro)
   Bill Tobin Personnel Executive
   Andrew Johnson Scout
   Christian Sarkisian Scout
   Geoff Smith Scouting Technology Consultant
   Debbie LaRocco Personnel Assistant

 I dont know whether to laugh about this or be sad about this post.  

Just think how many people were in the front office Pre-2003 

(05-11-2021, 01:26 PM)Wes Mantooth Wrote: If you wondering what in the hell this thread is supposed to mean then that's probably understandable.  The point of this thead is simple; sometimes seeing is better than hearing.

This really puts into perspective just how much less this franchise invests into the quality of their team.

Which posting here changes nothing, posting here has no effect on the product on the field and posting here only serves to make people more cynical, angry and unhappy.  

Well done.

I'm sure all the other teams have their coaches involved in scouting too, but we know that the Bengals expect all their main coaches and coordinators to be very heavily involved in scouting.
The Bengals send their coaches to quite a bunch of Pro Days, 1:1 meets, Combine, Senior Bowl, etc.

So these coaches for the Bengals have to pull double duty in the offseason, and they don't really get to go scout during the regular season because they have their main job(s) to worry about. I would think the Bengals would want to have more scouts at the games, but maybe they feel that watching game film after the season is just as good as being at the games in-person.

(05-11-2021, 02:28 PM)Stewy Wrote: Which posting here changes nothing, posting here has no effect on the product on the field and posting here only serves to make people more cynical, angry and unhappy.  

Well done.

Dude get this BS out of here....my god.  

So he posts something factual, it has merit, and is related to the front office operations of each team in the AFC North but yet it only serves to make people more cynical, angry and unhappy? 

I'd rather hear/see someone post something has facts behind it than someone try and bullshit me to death.  

(05-11-2021, 02:28 PM)Stewy Wrote: Which posting here changes nothing, posting here has no effect on the product on the field and posting here only serves to make people more cynical, angry and unhappy.  

Well done.

What a terrible post.

In case you hadn't checked, nothing we do or say on this forum has any effect in the product of the field.  We're all here to talk about the team and the issues that surround it.  I feel like this is noteworthy.  Obviously others do as as well.

There is nothing worse than when people masquarade behind the idea that a talking point changes nothing and therefore shouldn't be discussed.  When in reality they've let this fact slide out on the other 3,435,657 posts on this forum and are only drawing attention to it now because they're butthurt.