(08-22-2021, 08:37 PM)Fan_in_Kettering Wrote: That’s absolutely true but are the football pundits putting too much pressure on Joe Burrow? Most sportswriters and commentators aren’t worth their weight in excreta and one and all seem to place what I see are unreasonably high expectations on Joe.
The dude put up the best numbers in college football in the SEC while beating down the SEC and winning the College Football
Championship. Everyone should have high expectations for Joe, he does himself and says it all the time. I think he will live up.
Chase will be fine once he gets his shit down. This is good this is happening in the Preseason.
(08-22-2021, 08:54 PM)Nately120 Wrote: Mahommes was a top prospect with a high ceiling that was said to have Favre-like potential IF he goes to a good system and is given time to learn. The Chiefs traded up to get him, he was in Andy Reid's system, he sat for a year behind Alex Smith (who also looked great in the system) despite Mahommes getting rave reviews in practice, training camp, and the pre-season.
Yeah, but if someone told you that Mahommes would be THIS good before that Draft they would be Nostradamous.
Andy Reid is a great coach but he has NEVER had a QB like Patrick.
Joe Burrow should be the next Tom Brady, that is how good I think he can be. Mahommes is wild though, greatest passer
outside of the pocket I have seen besides Aaron Rodgers.
(08-22-2021, 10:05 PM)rfaulk34 Wrote: No.
12 routes across the middle. Not all crossing routes but your point is not valid. He's a complete receiver.
Yep, Chase can do the Slants. He just needs to catch the damn ball and not be so scared. Understandable after a year off.
Once he catches one, he will not be scared, once he catches two he will love it.
(08-23-2021, 12:59 PM)Nate (formerly eliminate08) Wrote: Yeah, but if someone told you that Mahommes would be THIS good before that Draft they would be Nostradamous.
Andy Reid is a great coach but he has NEVER had a QB like Patrick.
A great HC drafts a QB in the top 10 and puts him in a great system and has him develop slowly and intelligently behind a grade A mentor? That's by the book football, right there. The Chiefs handled Mahommes the right way and the way he needed to be handled and the Bills are doing the same thing with Josh Allen.
A QB in a good system being developed in an intelligent way isn't insane, it's ideal. They took high upside guys who needed to be handled with care and that's what you do when you can't be bothered to go 1-15 every time you need a new QB. I'm not ragging on us, just saying that the first QB off the board hasn't been the most successful of his class all that often in the modern era of football.
(08-23-2021, 01:08 PM)Nately120 Wrote: A great HC drafts a QB in the top 10 and puts him in a great system and has him develop slowly and intelligently behind a grade A mentor? That's by the book football, right there. The Chiefs handled Mahommes the right way and the way he needed to be handled and the Bills are doing the same thing with Josh Allen.
A QB in a good system being developed in an intelligent way isn't insane, it's ideal.
Talent has nothing to do with it?
We really agree, I am just pissed about Ossai and some phantom knee injury....
(08-23-2021, 01:10 PM)Nate (formerly eliminate08) Wrote: Talent has nothing to do with it?
We really agree, I am just pissed about Ossai and some phantom knee injury....
I added more to it since you replied, but Mahommes and Allen were noted for having a lot of upside but needed to be handled with care. The teams accommodated for that and it's paying off so far.
(08-23-2021, 01:14 PM)Nately120 Wrote: I added more to it since you replied, but Mahommes and Allen were noted for having a lot of upside but needed to be handled with care. The teams accommodated for that and it's paying off so far.
You are correct. Allen honestly has really surprised me, I actually thought he was more of a Favre than Mahommes but he could
run and was highly inaccurate in college like Favre was with a monster arm. Allen could be very good, but I don't know if he can
be Mahommes good. Mahommes is special and I honestly didn't see it before he started in KC.
(08-23-2021, 01:19 PM)Nate (formerly eliminate08) Wrote: You are correct. Allen honestly has really surprised me, I actually thought he was more of a Favre than Mahommes but he could
run and was highly inaccurate in college like Favre was with a monster arm. Allen could be very good, but I don't know if he can
be Mahommes good. Mahommes is special and I honestly didn't see it before he started in KC.
Allen becoming more accurate seemed like an insane "IF ONLY" sort of caveat, but damn if he didn't do it so far. Mahommes was compared to Favre, but Favre also busted hard in Atlanta...I mean he was worse than Manziel. Mahommes didn't have the personality that necessitated that sort of wake-up call.
So a guy that has played one season since his senior year in high school three autumns ago is having trouble connecting while running routes that are drawn up by Cincinnati coaches.
Jeez.
If only someone could have seen this being an issue before the draft. Well, someone other than me.
Pretty soon someone will claim that Tee Higgins started slow then took off . . . yeah. He took off so much that even with him and Boyd on the team, they still needed to burn a #1 pick for another WR while letting one of the best O-line drafts slip through their fingers.
Too many people bought into the hype so we spent a top pick on another Rocket Ismail. But, hey . . . maybe he can learn with on the job training against NFL competition.
(08-23-2021, 03:02 PM)Forever Spinning Vinyl Wrote: So a guy that has played one season since his senior year in high school three autumns ago is having trouble connecting while running routes that are drawn up by Cincinnati coaches.
(08-23-2021, 01:02 PM)fredtoast Wrote: Lots of fans are wanting a bigger year and more production from Mixon.
But they don't all get "eaten alive" by other fans because they are not dicks about it. For example they don't call him the "golden child".
Huh? it doesn't matter if they call him the golden child or not. If the guy can't get a 3rd and 1, you can blame the OL. But when he gets a 3rd and 1, you will have to say it's because of the OL, and not because of him. <-- Tell me how that's being a dick. I think Mixon is overpaid, should have fixed the offensive line, could have protected Burrow and had an average RB perform as well as Mixon does (kill 2 birds with one stone).
Your post is hypocritical since you don't know what being a dick is apparently lol.
There are hardly any posts here that say "MIXON SHOULD RUN BETTER" without people talking about the offensive line, find one. That's what the definition of a golden child is lol. Geno Atkins and AJ were your golden children too, some of us called for their heads years before when they were declining rapidly. "Geno doesn't need any stats, everyone is doubling him". Trade at high value, low productivity.
(08-22-2021, 09:50 PM)Fan_in_Kettering Wrote: If all else fails, look at the film.
I just spent about twenty minutes on YouTube looking at Ja’Marr Chase highlight film during his final year at LSU and something jumped out at me really quick so I watched more tape to confirm my suspicion.
The vast majority of touchdowns where Chase scored on a throw from Joe Burrow were outside the numbers. That means the route is run between the numbers on the field and the sideline. Chase occasionally scored on “go” routes and even more rarely on medium to deep crossing routes but I never saw any instance where Chase was targeted on short slant routes. He and Burrow connected almost exclusively on straight line speed routes outside the numbers; the closer to the sideline the better.
No wonder Ja’Marr Chase looks scared running those short over the middle slants. He is! From what I could see it appears to be the first time he has been asked to run this kind of route; I don’t think it’s a good idea to continue trying. He is an outside the numbers speed burner, period.
Yes, he ranks highly on 20+ yard catches. Apparently coaches try to force our players into what they're not good at, lol.
(08-22-2021, 07:25 PM)bfine32 Wrote: No need for name calling...But why would folks look like idiots; has Chase not struggled with catching the ball?
Should we not mention it?
Mention it, but say I don't care?
Say He really isn't struggling with catching the ball?
Say I "know" he'll be fine regardless of his struggles because....?
What do you suggest one say to not look like an idiot when your #5OA pick is struggling with the one thing he's required to do?
Yeah, it doesn't matter if Chase goes on to be better than Rice. He's definitely struggling right now, facts, lol. Has nothing to do with what happens in the future, or not. If the dude was mr. irrelevant, bet he's cut by now!
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