(08-23-2021, 03:19 PM)Forever Spinning Vinyl Wrote: I was team "address the o-line", not team Sewell. I did not know that Trade Down from #5 was having a bad camp.

For the record, I wouldn't have drafted Ossai either. I wanted the first three or four picks to be o-line.

Are you not encouraged by how good the OL looks so far?

(08-23-2021, 12:57 PM)Nicomo Cosca Wrote: And I don’t hate Sewell at all. Far from it. I was one of the first people on this board to start hyping him up back in 2019.

I got kind of curious just to see when you started talking about Sewell in 2019.  I couldn't find any posts from 2019 from you with the keyword Sewell, the first post I found was June 2020.  Maybe I'm just not using the search feature right.   But I did find this predication which came true.  

(07-28-2020, 06:38 PM)Nicomo Cosca Wrote: Maybe if Burrow goes down we’ll have a chance at Sewell...

(08-23-2021, 03:27 PM)George Cantstandya Wrote: I got kind of curious just to see when you started talking about Sewell in 2019.  I couldn't find any posts from 2019 from you with the keyword Sewell, the first post I found was June 2020.  Maybe I'm just not using the search feature right.   But I did find this predication which came true.  

Isn’t it crazy that people can actually be open to having their mind changed? Like I said, I was all about the Sewell hype (way before the “Civil War” stuff started), but I just saw too many good arguments about the value of an elite WR over a single elite OT (look up the WAR for the top guys at each position if you don’t believe me). And I agreed that there would some great options for us in the 2nd at OL (which there were).

I said all along, I would have been more than happy had we taken Sewell (or Pitts had he been there), but I got stuck defending taking Chase because of all of the pushback from the OL or bust crowd. Once I heard that Burrow wanted Chase (and he’s the one that has to go out there and play behind our OL), it was a wrap.

(08-23-2021, 03:15 PM)reuben.ahmed Wrote: That might be all of what you remember of AJ, since he had a toe injury for like 100 games in a row lol. Dude didn't want to be here.

I'm talking up to about 2018. 

(08-23-2021, 03:22 PM)Nicomo Cosca Wrote: Are you not encouraged by how good the OL looks so far?

The offensive line looks better in pass protection but they’re still getting eaten alive when run blocking — but there are some flashes of adequacy here and there.

This line only looks better because they had no place to go but up.

(08-23-2021, 03:11 PM)reuben.ahmed Wrote: Huh? it doesn't matter if they call him the golden child or not. If the guy can't get a 3rd and 1, you can blame the OL. But when he gets a 3rd and 1, you will have to say it's because of the OL, and not because of him. <-- Tell me how that's being a dick.

Well it is kind of being a dick to squeal about him not converting a third and one when he is one of the very best RBs in the league in that situation.  Since Mixon's rookie season ('17) only FOUR running backs have converted more first downs on third-and-one than Mixon's 24, and only three of those four converted at a higher percentage than Mixon's 75%.  Zeke Elliott has the best conversion percentage of those top RBs and it is only slightly higher (81%).

Maybe "dick" is a little too harsh.  But I don't like fans who love to shit on the Bengals so much that they make up stuff to complain about.  Since Mixon is only top 5 instead of number one then he needs to be ripped every time he fails to convert a third and one?  That is not being a "realist".  That is not "rejecting mediocrity".  That is just being a whiner.

(08-23-2021, 03:38 PM)Fan_in_Kettering Wrote: The offensive line looks better in pass protection but they’re still getting eaten alive when run blocking — but there are some flashes of adequacy here and there.

This line only looks better because they had no place to go but up.

You could have just stopped there. That was priority #1, and what everyone has (rightfully) been screaming for.

Your second point is just not true at all. We’ve played two of the best pass rushes in the league, and haven’t even let our QB’s get sniffed. Give credit when it’s due.

(08-23-2021, 03:38 PM)Nicomo Cosca Wrote: Isn’t it crazy that people can actually be open to having their mind changed? Like I said, I was all about the Sewell hype (way before the “Civil War” stuff started), but I just saw too many good arguments about the value of an elite WR over a single elite OT (look up the WAR for the top guys at each position if you don’t believe me). And I agreed that there would some great options for us in the 2nd at OL (which there were).

I said all along, I would have been more than happy had we taken Sewell (or Pitts had he been there), but I got stuck defending taking Chase because of all of the pushback from the OL or bust crowd. Once I heard that Burrow wanted Chase (and he’s the one that has to go out there and play behind our OL), it was a wrap.

Oh, don't get me wrong.  I have no problem with your view and changing your mind.   Just when people post claims like, "I was saying such and such for so long,"  I have a habit of checking it out.  Just out of my own interest.  Sometimes the claims are correct and sometimes they are not.  Usually I just don't even post about it when I find someone's claim was untrue.  Just like when some here posts stats to support their argument and I look them up and they are  incorrect or cherry picked from a larger sample of statistics to try to make a point (you might be surprised how often that happens).   I usually just keep it to myself because I don't like to argue here.

I wasn't trying to attack you and your point of view.  I only brought this up because I was interested in your 2019 claim about Sewell so looked it up.  During that I found your predication about Burrow which happened to come true unfortunately.   So I thought it was interesting and thus the ninja face which I though meant kind of joking or kidding around.  Maybe I misunderstand that emoji.

In red zone work late in practice, Tee Higgins with a great snag at the back pylon with some toe drag swag. Then Ja’Marr Chase with a great twisting catch at the front pylon for a score.

As a whole, #Bengals offense having nice day today.

— Paul Dehner Jr. (@pauldehnerjr) August 23, 2021

Well, if Chase turns out to be a bust, we'll always have that August 23rd practice.

Imagine actually choosing to miserable instead of being encouraged…

Anyways, his hands look good here.

Mighty strong hands here from Ja’Marr Chase in catch drills back of end zone from Burrow #Bengals pic.twitter.com/huiJiCbMuy

— Mike Petraglia (@Trags) August 23, 2021

(08-23-2021, 03:19 PM)Forever Spinning Vinyl Wrote: I was team "address the o-line", not team Sewell. I did not know that Trade Down from #5 was having a bad camp.

For the record, I wouldn't have drafted Ossai either. I wanted the first three or four picks to be o-line.

Hindsight. Ossai could of been a first rounder, same with Carman. Love all our picks so far.

Ossai falling to the 3rd was just crazy, major steal and he blew up Brady and the Champs. 

Pass rush was needed just as much as OL. We need to add another DE besides Noah Spence now.

If you ignore the DL and go all in on the OL you will still suck and it won't matter.

Chase and Carman are just adapting, Carman is rounding into form and was pancaking dudes Friday.

D'Ante Smith played like a stud against Tampa. Trey Hill has one hell of an anchor. We brought in Riley Reiff.

The OL has not been the problem so far and evidently you haven't been paying attention.

If all you want to do is ***** about something you know nothing about okay...

No question this was the bounce-back day the Bengals and WR Ja'Marr Chase were looking for. Had a ton of good catches, including the contested grab to punctuate the day.

— Ben Baby (@Ben_Baby) August 23, 2021

(08-23-2021, 04:25 PM)Nicomo Cosca Wrote:

No question this was the bounce-back day the Bengals and WR Ja'Marr Chase were looking for. Had a ton of good catches, including the contested grab to punctuate the day.

— Ben Baby (@Ben_Baby) August 23, 2021

Awesome news.

(08-23-2021, 03:50 PM)Nicomo Cosca Wrote: You could have just stopped there. That was priority #1, and what everyone has (rightfully) been screaming for.

LOL.

Needing Burrow to throw 60 times a game because the running game didn't get going really worked out well for them last year.

The Joe Burrow led Bengals won two games last year. One win can be attributed to Burrow, the other was mostly Mixon.

Yes. EVERYONE is (rightfully) screaming to protect Burrow. It's just that some of us know that there is more than one way.

(08-23-2021, 04:37 PM)Forever Spinning Vinyl Wrote: LOL.

Needing Burrow to throw 60 times a game because the running game didn't get going really worked out well for them last year.

The Joe Burrow led Bengals won two games last year. One win can be attributed to Burrow, the other was mostly Mixon.

Yes. EVERYONE is (rightfully) screaming to protect Burrow. It's just that some of us know that there is more than one way.

They just drafted an absolute MAULER in the 2nd round, they extended one of the best RB’s in the league to a massive contract, they brought in a top OL coach and made him the run game coordinator, and we also replaced Gio with what looks like a straight up clone of him. They obviously plan to emphasis the run game more.

Part of what needs to start to happen is they need to call more runs. If you look at the last game the playcalling in the first half was pretty pass happy and in the second half we ran rather more often. If we want to run effectively we need to do it often enough for the backs and the line to get into a groove.

(08-23-2021, 03:50 PM)Nicomo Cosca Wrote: We’ve played two of the best pass rushes in the league, and haven’t even let our QB’s get sniffed. Give credit when it’s due.

It is worth noting that in 2019, when he got sacked 37 times in just 13 games, Dalton got sacked 0 times in Preseason. In 2016 when he was sacked 41 times in 16 games, he was only sacked 1 time in preseason. In 2005, when David Carr got sacked 68 times, he only got sacked 1 time in preseason despite playing in all 4 games.

It kind of just goes back to the whole "preseason means nothing" bit. The Lions went 4-0 in the preseason they year they went 0-16.

(08-23-2021, 05:06 PM)TheLeonardLeap Wrote: It is worth noting that in 2019, when he got sacked 37 times in just 13 games, Dalton got sacked 0 times in Preseason. In 2016 when he was sacked 41 times in 16 games, he was only sacked 1 time in preseason. In 2005, when David Carr got sacked 68 times, he only got sacked 1 time in preseason despite playing in all 4 games.

It kind of just goes back to the whole "preseason means nothing" bit. The Lions went 4-0 in the preseason they year they went 0-16.

I’m mostly encouraged because of who it was against.

(08-23-2021, 05:06 PM)TheLeonardLeap Wrote: It is worth noting that in 2019, when he got sacked 37 times in just 13 games, Dalton got sacked 0 times in Preseason. In 2016 when he was sacked 41 times in 16 games, he was only sacked 1 time in preseason. In 2005, when David Carr got sacked 68 times, he only got sacked 1 time in preseason despite playing in all 4 games.

They didn't get sacked much because as starters they only played 2 or 3 drives in 3 games.