(04-06-2024, 09:15 PM)Whatever Wrote: Pickens, Johnson, and Flowers are also arguably better.

Dionte Johnson isn't in our Division anymore.

(04-06-2024, 09:15 PM)Whatever Wrote: Pickens, Johnson, and Flowers are also arguably better.

I'm gonna need somebody to lay out the argument that Zay Flowers is a better WR than Tee Higgins. The other two are pretty questionable as well, but I can't even wrap my head around Zay Flowers.

(04-06-2024, 09:15 PM)Whatever Wrote: Pickens, Johnson, and Flowers are also arguably better.

Johnson is on the Panthers now.

Pickens you might be able to make a case for, but Tee is ahead of Flowers as of now.

(04-06-2024, 09:27 PM)jason Wrote: I'm gonna need somebody to lay out the argument that Zay Flowers is a better WR than Tee Higgins. The other two are pretty questionable as well, but I can't even wrap my head around Zay Flowers.

Yeah I have to agree here.

Flowers year 1 was 77 receptions 858 yards and 5 touchdowns.

Tee’s first year was 67 receptions 908 yards and 6 touchdowns.

This early in Flowers’ career it would be a stretch, at least for me, to say he’s better than Tee.

(04-06-2024, 12:49 PM)Whatever Wrote: But they can structure Higgins' deal so that he has a low cap hit the first few years, then trade him after it balloons to keep the band together for a few more years.  Or massively front load it before Chase's extension really kicks in.  

Beyond that, they've publicly said they'd trade him and there's not a whisper of interest from around the league.

It’s probably less about the structure and more about the guarantee and the cash the team has to escrow


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(04-06-2024, 10:35 PM)chrisball96 Wrote: Yeah I have to agree here.

Flowers year 1 was 77 receptions 858 yards and 5 touchdowns.

Tee’s first year was 67 receptions 908 yards and 6 touchdowns.

This early in Flowers’ career it would be a stretch, at least for me, to say he’s better than Tee.

Tee Higgins rookie year is much more impressive 
Than Zay Flowers rookie season 
Tee Higgins came into a offense with a rookie QB
Bottom 5 NFL oline. Oh yeah Covid meant no OTAs etc 
Then JB misses last 6 games. How many QBs did 
Higgins Have throwing to him his rookie year? 
Zay Flowers was drafted into a offense with a top 10
Offensive line. Top 10 NFL QB proven offensive mind 
In Todd Monken 
Yet Tee still put better numbers than Zay. 

I don't want the Bengals to franchise Tee. I'd rather they take his franchise $ and sign Connor Williams to a 3-year deal, then get a 2025 comp for him.

But I'm not going to try to suggest he's not a top WR in the NFL. I've posted numbers before as to what Tee does without JaMarr on the field and it's very good.

(04-06-2024, 11:45 PM)bfine32 Wrote: I don't want the Bengals to franchise Tee. I'd rather they take his franchise $ and sign Connor Williams to a 3-year deal, then get a 2025 comp for him.

But I'm not going to try to suggest he's not a top WR in the NFL. I've posted numbers before as to what Tee does without JaMarr on the field and it's very good.

Connor Williams is a Free Agent. We can get him after the Draft and hope his injuries are behind him.