(09-13-2024, 12:35 PM)2MinutesHate Wrote: That in itself is sad.  Irwin will be 29 this season and has done very little in the league so far.
Just don't see the guy turning it on all of the sudden and getting 400+ yards this year.

They gotta find a way to reach Burton.  Why does it seem like we're so weak at WR all of the sudden?

We're weak at WR for three reasons...

Expiring contracts 

Injuries

Insufficient draft capitol used in the position group to replace players with expired contracts/cover for injuries.

(09-13-2024, 12:35 PM)2MinutesHate Wrote: That in itself is sad.  Irwin will be 29 this season and has done very little in the league so far.
Just don't see the guy turning it on all of the sudden and getting 400+ yards this year.

They gotta find a way to reach Burton. Why does it seem like we're so weak at WR all of the sudden?

No Tee, no Boyd.

(09-13-2024, 12:43 PM)Whatever Wrote: We're weak at WR for three reasons...

Expiring contracts 

Injuries

Insufficient draft capitol used in the position group to replace players with expired contracts/cover for injuries.

We have spent a 1st, 2nd, 3rd, 4th and 6th the last 5 years..?   Jones was a not a great pick IMO and as much as I like Burton's potential he is showing why he was considered such a risk.  Capital was used, was it used wisely...?  We likely wont know for a another year or two.

We looked horrendous without Tee, hopefully that changes Sunday.  Someone has to step up.

(09-13-2024, 12:43 PM)Whatever Wrote: Insufficient draft capitol used in the position group to replace players with expired contracts/cover for injuries.

Zac spoke about this in is presser. He said not all WRs are the 5th and 33rd pick and thus have to develop when asked about Burton playing more. The implication was the Chase and Tee were drafted high and ready to start. Zac was comfortable with Burton's development. I assume he feels the same away about other WRs on the team.

I guess they are comfortable waiting on the WRs to improve. 

(09-13-2024, 01:22 PM)TecmoBengals Wrote: Zac spoke about this in is presser. He said not all WRs are the 5th and 33rd pick and thus have to develop when asked about Burton playing more. The implication was the Chase and Tee were drafted high and ready to start. Zac was comfortable with Burton's development. I assume he feels the same away about other WRs on the team.

I guess they are comfortable waiting on the WRs to improve. 

Marvin always said it take 3 years for most WR's to be ready to start in this league.

(09-13-2024, 01:26 PM)Sled21 Wrote: Marvin always said it take 3 years for most WR's to be ready to start in this league.

"It takes an NFL head coach about 17 years before they're ready to win their first playoff game."-Marvin Lewis, probably 

(09-13-2024, 12:50 PM)casear2727 Wrote: We have spent a 1st, 2nd, 3rd, 4th and 6th the last 5 years..?   Jones was a not a great pick IMO and as much as I like Burton's potential he is showing why he was considered such a risk.  Capital was used, was it used wisely...?  We likely wont know for a another year or two.

We looked horrendous without Tee, hopefully that changes Sunday.  Someone has to step up.

By comparison, the Chiefs have used a 1,2,3, and 5 in the same span, and everyone says their WR's suck.  And they also supplement the position with outside FA's like Juju, MVS, Hollywood, etc.  We do not.

If you don't think it's realistic for a 3rd round pick to be ready to immediately start, then why do you wait until the 3rd to draft one when you need an immediate starter to replace Boyd?  I get Mims, but why blow your 2nd on a developmental 3 tech when you don't have an immediate need there?

(09-13-2024, 02:56 PM)Whatever Wrote: By comparison, the Chiefs have used a 1,2,3, and 5 in the same span, and everyone says their WR's suck.  And they also supplement the position with outside FA's like Juju, MVS, Hollywood, etc.  We do not.

If you don't think it's realistic for a 3rd round pick to be ready to immediately start, then why do you wait until the 3rd to draft one when you need an immediate starter to replace Boyd?  I get Mims, but why blow your 2nd on a developmental 3 tech when you don't have an immediate need there?

The Chiefs front office is on such a higher level than ours when it comes to the draft that it is embarrassing.

I would assume that the lack of a veteran replacement for Boyd was hoping that Tee would NOT have his annual hamstring vacation and that a young guy would emerge at WR3.  Tee's hammy decided to flare up to start the season and of course we have no one developed to help Chase.

IMO, these must happen soon:
#1 Burrow must get his head together.
#2 We must find a WR not named Chase that can get separation, while running the proper route, and catch the ball.

We have no idea how long Tee will take to get back to full speed.

(09-13-2024, 02:56 PM)Whatever Wrote: If you don't think it's realistic for a 3rd round pick to be ready to immediately start, then why do you wait until the 3rd to draft one when you need an immediate starter to replace Boyd? 

Yes the great Tyler Boyd who had 3 catches for 18 yards last week.  How would we ever replace that kind of production Boyd is now giving to the Titans.

(09-13-2024, 09:36 AM)THE PISTONS Wrote: I was thinking about this. Are there any rookies that we've had that have been in the coaches dog house that were benched early in their careers that turned out great?

Carlos Dunlap springs to mind.  More recently, many of us were questioning the play of Nick Scott (& Vonn Bell) over Jordan Battle and the use of the TE room, particularly the insistence on using Irv Smith, admittedly over non-rookies.

(09-13-2024, 11:34 AM)jj22 Wrote: The hit job on Burton the week before the season started still seemed and still seems odd and weird to me. Who was this coming from and why did it explode the way it did?

I'm not sure, but referring to himself in 3rd person during interviews could be a clue..

(09-13-2024, 04:05 PM)SunsetBengal Wrote: I'm not sure, but referring to himself in 3rd person during interviews could be a clue..

Does he really do that?

(09-13-2024, 04:21 PM)Frank Booth Wrote: Does he really do that?

See post #421

(09-13-2024, 03:43 PM)casear2727 Wrote: The Chiefs front office is on such a higher level than ours when it comes to the draft that it is embarrassing.

I would assume that the lack of a veteran replacement for Boyd was hoping that Tee would NOT have his annual hamstring vacation and that a young guy would emerge at WR3.  Tee's hammy decided to flare up to start the season and of course we have no one developed to help Chase.

IMO, these must happen soon:
#1 Burrow must get his head together.
#2 We must find a WR not named Chase that can get separation, while running the proper route, and catch the ball.

We have no idea how long Tee will take to get back to full speed.

Thing is, Yoshi and Jones were both Day 3 picks and neither showed any signs their rookie years of evolving into starters.  Hence why we shouldn't have gambled on them.

(09-13-2024, 04:05 PM)SunsetBengal Wrote: I'm not sure, but referring to himself in 3rd person during interviews could be a clue..

Oh, sure, Burton does it, and it's the end of the world.  The Rock does it and he's The People's Champion...

(09-13-2024, 05:37 PM)Whatever Wrote: Oh, sure, Burton does it, and it's the end of the world.  The Rock does it and he's The People's Champion...

There's quite a difference between a seasoned showman like The Rock and a rookie WR trying to get on the first team, wouldn't you agree?

(09-13-2024, 02:56 PM)Whatever Wrote: If you don't think it's realistic for a 3rd round pick to be ready to immediately start, then why do you wait until the 3rd to draft one when you need an immediate starter to replace Boyd?  I get Mims, but why blow your 2nd on a developmental 3 tech when you don't have an immediate need there?

The only WR that I currently would want that would of been there in the 2nd round is Adonai Mitchell.  You would of had to traded to the top of the 2nd round to get what is perceived as good WR picks. 

(09-13-2024, 02:56 PM)Whatever Wrote: By comparison, the Chiefs have used a 1,2,3, and 5 in the same span, and everyone says their WR's suck.  And they also supplement the position with outside FA's like Juju, MVS, Hollywood, etc.  We do not.

If you don't think it's realistic for a 3rd round pick to be ready to immediately start, then why do you wait until the 3rd to draft one when you need an immediate starter to replace Boyd?  I get Mims, but why blow your 2nd on a developmental 3 tech when you don't have an immediate need there?

Likely because they expected Tee Higgins to be healthy and on the field at this time, thus allowing the 3rd round player time to develop.

(09-13-2024, 03:43 PM)casear2727 Wrote: The Chiefs front office is on such a higher level than ours when it comes to the draft that it is embarrassing.

I would assume that the lack of a veteran replacement for Boyd was hoping that Tee would NOT have his annual hamstring vacation and that a young guy would emerge at WR3.  Tee's hammy decided to flare up to start the season and of course we have no one developed to help Chase.

IMO, these must happen soon:
#1 Burrow must get his head together.
#2 We must find a WR not named Chase that can get separation, while running the proper route, and catch the ball.

We have no idea how long Tee will take to get back to full speed.

Perhaps, but you can't tell it by the WR's:

Cornel Powell
Skye Moore
Rashee Rice
Xavier Worthy. 

(09-13-2024, 01:26 PM)Sled21 Wrote: Marvin always said it take 3 years for most WR's to be ready to start in this league.

Well heck, if that's the case then Irwin has to be the WR3.

In all seriousness though, Irwin is the most reliable and proven outside of Higgins and Chase, despite being limited physically.
Iosivas has great measurables but he's only starting his 2nd year.
Burton brand new and not overly polished.
Jones really doesn't seem to be much of a factor in the offense, TBH. 52 offensive snaps in his 12-game career so far.