(09-29-2024, 05:54 PM)Sled21 Wrote: I have a feeling this is going to be a bad man, and will be a great player for us. Looking forward to him being 100%, getting Jackson, Hill, Rankins and Murphy  back.I think this defense is about to turn the corner when we start getting some of these guys on the field.

Still early, but I've been happy with what he's shown so far.  God knows, we need to finally hit on one of these early DL picks.

(09-30-2024, 10:43 AM)CJD Wrote: It's very early in the year, but this rookie class seems to be a good one.

You got Mims, who looked really good in his first start at RT.

You got Jenkins, who had a few great plays yesterday (still would like to see more pass rush from such an athletic DT, but he's still developing).

You got Burton, who only has 1 reception but he seems to be mostly a victim of depth at the position. His explosion should serve us well as he gains more experience and trust.

You got All, who looks like a do it all tight end. Outstanding blocker who has helped spring several big runs this season and he has soft hands and is able to get that extra yardage by breaking a tackle as well.

On top of them, we got Newton, McLachlan and Johnson who all looked good in the pre-season and could easily fill out snaps in case of injuries (Mclachlan is usually inactive, so he wouldn't be able to due to an injury in game, but in following weeks for sure).

Jackson should be coming off IR soon, so I am excited to see if he can help sure up the iDL. He has the body of a run stuffer and the mentality of a 1 gapper. We'll see how that translates to the NFL.

Not sure many here will like this but Edwards showed up big on one play.

Lou's heavy DB, 5-2 scheme requires the D Line to pressure the QB into mistakes... The Bengals don't have that this year. Even fully healthy, the line projects to be mid tier at best.

Silver Lining: The offense is just getting going. The Bengals should be high scoring, making a middle of the road defense viable.

Seems like a more athletic prime Peko!(which is a compliment and not an insult) His pass rush does need some work but that can happen in time.

(09-30-2024, 03:05 PM)J24 Wrote: Seems like a more athletic prime Peko!(which is a compliment and not an insult) His pass rush does need some work but that can happen in time.

Jenkins is a pass rushing DT, not a NT run stopper. Peko was NT run stopping fat guy at 325 & limited to no pass rush. Jenkins is a more of a pass rushing DT with a combine weight of 299lbs.... which he bulked up for.


Their other DT they took in this draft, Jackson, is the Reader/Peko/Sam Adams style DT.

(09-30-2024, 03:09 PM)PDub80 Wrote: Jenkins is a pass rushing DT, not a 3 tech run stopper. Peko was 3 tech run stopping fat guy at 325 & limited to no pass rush. Jenkins is a more of a pass rushing DT with a combine weight of 299lbs.... which he bulked up for.


Their other DT they took in this draft, Jackson, is the Reader/Peko/Sam Adams style DT.

And here I always thought that Peko played NT.

(09-30-2024, 03:22 PM)SunsetBengal Wrote: And here I always thought that Peko played NT.

You are 100% right. Peko was a NT. 3 Tech is the pass-rushing DT. NT is run stopping. I was typing and mixed the 2 up. Good catch! I edited to make it correct.

(09-30-2024, 03:09 PM)PDub80 Wrote: Jenkins is a pass rushing DT, not a NT run stopper. Peko was NT run stopping fat guy at 325 & limited to no pass rush. Jenkins is a more of a pass rushing DT with a combine weight of 299lbs.... which he bulked up for.


Their other DT they took in this draft, Jackson, is the Reader/Peko/Sam Adams style DT.

Jenkins had the highest run stoppage grade in the draft and one of the lowest pass rush grades in the draft for DTs. 

Also, I think  he will eventually be  a pretty decent pass rusher but never an elite one.

(09-30-2024, 04:37 PM)J24 Wrote: Jenkins had the highest run stoppage grade in the draft and one of the lowest pass rush grades in the draft for DTs. 

Also, I think  he will eventually be  a pretty decent pass rusher but never an elite one.

So we got a guy with limited pass rush playing the pass rush DT position but who is good at stopping the run not playing the run stopping DT position. Nice. 

(09-30-2024, 04:37 PM)J24 Wrote: Jenkins had the highest run stoppage grade in the draft and one of the lowest pass rush grades in the draft for DTs. 

Also, I think  he will eventually be  a pretty decent pass rusher but never an elite one.

Just because Jenkins is a great run stopper it doesn't make him a Nose Tackle.

And he has high upside to where he can become an elite pass rusher. Long arms, extremely athletic, strong etc.

(09-30-2024, 04:59 PM)WeezyBengal Wrote: So we got a guy with limited pass rush playing the pass rush DT position but who is good at stopping the run not playing the run stopping DT position. Nice. 

He's going to be a nice rotation piece for years to come. I wouldn't be worried about him at all!

(09-30-2024, 05:47 PM)Nate (formerly eliminate08) Wrote: Just because Jenkins is a great run stopper it doesn't make him a Nose Tackle.

And he has high upside to where he can become an elite pass rusher. Long arms, extremely athletic, strong etc.

He's probably going to play all over the line once his career gets moving. I wouldn't pigeon hole him into either 3T or NT.

Let's say, hypothetically the Bengals view Kris as DJ Reader's replacement. DJ played 8 snaps per a game at NT last season for us. He only played 12 snaps per a game at NT in 2021. So DJ played the majority of his snaps as a 3T and not NT.  

As far as his pass rush ability,  I think he will eventually he will be a good pass rusher but not an elite pass rusher.

(09-30-2024, 10:12 AM)WeezyBengal Wrote: Lol what game did you watch? I don't think they had a pressure or a run stop behind the line of scrimmage other than the goalline stand the entire game. 

As for Jenkins, I can't get a read on him yet. He's looked Ok when he's out there. He reminds me a lot of BJ Hill 2.0 which I'd be cool with. 

LOL.I felt same...although I share the enthusiasm for Jenkins
we got gashed again for alot of rushing yds and ZERO sacks and NO PRESSURE
And now we have Derrick Henry coming in after getting 200 YDS last night VS Buff.  

(09-30-2024, 06:09 PM)J24 Wrote: He's going to be a nice rotation piece for years to come. I wouldn't be worried about him at all!

He's probably going to play all over the line once his career gets moving. I wouldn't pigeon hole him into either 3T or NT.

Let's say, hypothetically the Bengals view Kris as DJ Reader's replacement. DJ played 8 snaps per a game at NT last season for us. He only played 12 snaps per a game at NT in 2021. So DJ played the majority of his snaps as a 3T and not NT.  

As far as his pass rush ability,  I think he will eventually he will be a good pass rusher but not an elite pass rusher.

Could be correct. BTW, DJ made a few nice plays for the Lions last night.

(10-01-2024, 01:33 PM)Nate (formerly eliminate08) Wrote: Could be correct. BTW, DJ made a few nice plays for the Lions last night.

Yep, I saw him get his first sack of the season.

We just need a DT to push the pocket back some. Make the QB uncomfortable. A ton of sacks isn't needed.

(09-30-2024, 06:09 PM)J24 Wrote: He's going to be a nice rotation piece for years to come. I wouldn't be worried about him at all!

He's probably going to play all over the line once his career gets moving. I wouldn't pigeon hole him into either 3T or NT.

Let's say, hypothetically the Bengals view Kris as DJ Reader's replacement. DJ played 8 snaps per a game at NT last season for us. He only played 12 snaps per a game at NT in 2021. So DJ played the majority of his snaps as a 3T and not NT.  

As far as his pass rush ability,  I think he will eventually he will be a good pass rusher but not an elite pass rusher.

You are going by PFF charting? Nose Tackle by alignment is only the 0-tech. 1-tech which is a tilted nose tackle is classified as a LDT or RDT (over or under alignments). Nose Tackle in general refers to the player eating the majority double teams in the A-Gaps no matter the alignment. DJ Reader was so good he could play a gap and a half from the 2i. 

(10-01-2024, 02:22 PM)SunsetBengal Wrote: Yep, I saw him get his first sack of the season.

Pretty sure he caused a fumble too on Geno Smith.

(10-01-2024, 02:32 PM)Synric Wrote: You are going by PFF charting? Nose Tackle by alignment is only the 0-tech. 1-tech which is a tilted nose tackle is classified as a LDT or RDT (over or under alignments). Nose Tackle in general refers to the player eating the majority double teams in the A-Gaps no matter the alignment. DJ Reader was so good he could play a gap and a half from the 2i. 

Yes sir, hope McKinnley Jackson can grow into this for us down the road.

Just remember we have yet to see the DT room that was planned to be in play this year. We've either had both Jenkins and Jackson out (first 2 games) or both Hill and Rankins out (last 2 games). Hopefully Hill at least is ready to play so we are deploying Jenkins, Hill, Guy and Tufele. Murphy sounds like he will be back so that gives us DEs of Trey, Murphy, Hubbard and Johnson.

(10-01-2024, 02:43 PM)Nate (formerly eliminate08) Wrote: Pretty sure he caused a fumble too on Geno Smith.


Yes sir, hope McKinnley Jackson can grow into this for us down the road.

Yeah, I'm happy to see DJ healthy and doing well, just wish it was still for the Bengals.  Even before the injury, I had next to zero expectations of anything big, production wise from McKinley Jackson for at least half of the season. Now that he's missed 4 games already, getting him on the field, even for a handful of downs each game will be critical for his development.

(10-01-2024, 02:32 PM)Synric Wrote: You are going by PFF charting? Nose Tackle by alignment is only the 0-tech. 1-tech which is a tilted nose tackle is classified as a LDT or RDT (over or under alignments). Nose Tackle in general refers to the player eating the majority double teams in the A-Gaps no matter the alignment. DJ Reader was so good he could play a gap and a half from the 2i. 

I was going by plays in the A gap by PFF.