(10-28-2024, 11:35 AM)Nicomo Cosca Wrote:

Get Jermaine Burton on the field and get him the football pic.twitter.com/9drAXAjJO9

— Goodberry (@JoeGoodberry) October 28, 2024

Forget about Burton for a minute on this film and watch Amarius Mims’ first step. That’s unbelievable.

Before giving up on Yoshi, remember that Houshmandzadeh’s first THREE seasons were quite subpar. I remember we didn’t understand why he wasn’t cut.

(10-28-2024, 09:48 PM)BengalFanInNJ Wrote: Before giving up on Yoshi, remember that Houshmandzadeh’s first THREE seasons were quite subpar. I remember we didn’t understand why he wasn’t cut.

So we should just wait 4 years for every day 3 pick to develop into a serviceable player? Those early 00’s teams could be patient with a guy like TJ because they had absolutely no expectations at that point. That changed when they got Palmer.

(10-28-2024, 05:00 PM)bfine32 Wrote: I'm also sure JB gave him the stink-eye during the film session when he cost us 5 free yards by running on and off the field. I fear his route tree will always be limited, but if he's good at them, then that's a plus.

Why would JB do that?  He didnt sub himself in the game.

(10-28-2024, 02:17 PM)ochocincos Wrote: Charlie Jones is one of only 3 players in the NFL with a KR TD so far.
Jones has a YPR for KRs at 40.0, the best in the league with players who have 5+ KRs.
Jones is only 15th in PR average though at 7.1.
Return Specialist is about all he's been good for in his 1.5 seasons.
"Complete bum" though is a little overboard though. He does have value on ST.

Yeah sure. Is a 3rd round pick on a kickoff returner good value?

(10-28-2024, 10:22 PM)Ell Prez Wrote: Yeah sure. Is a 3rd round pick on a kickoff returner good value?

He was a 4th rounder. Which is still a little rich for a ST only player.

(10-28-2024, 10:25 PM)Nicomo Cosca Wrote: He was a 4th rounder. Which is still a little rich for a ST only player.

And I wouldn’t even consider him good. He’s serviceable. But he’s not a game changer

what I miss? Why do we think Burton doesn't know the plays?

Considering our play calling is vanilla - I'm very concerned if Burton doesn't know the plays.

(10-28-2024, 10:16 PM)casear2727 Wrote: Why would JB do that?  He didnt sub himself in the game.

Do you really think the coach goes up to each player and says "get in there"?

(10-28-2024, 10:25 PM)Nicomo Cosca Wrote: He was a 4th rounder. Which is still a little rich for a ST only player.

Another wasted pick on an older player to begin with.

(10-28-2024, 10:28 PM)Ell Prez Wrote: And I wouldn’t even consider him good. He’s serviceable. But he’s not a game changer

He literally changed a game one week ago. 

Dude was a late 4th rounder and has had a return TD both his years in the NFL

(10-28-2024, 11:41 PM)bfine32 Wrote: He literally changed a game one week ago. 

Dude was a late 4th rounder and has had a return TD both his years in the NFL

how's that working out? we know how this season ends. let's just admit it.

(10-28-2024, 10:22 PM)Ell Prez Wrote: Yeah sure. Is a 3rd round pick on a kickoff returner good value?

Being good value and being a complete bum are different areas of the spectrum.
Complete bum, IMO, is someone who provides no value at all.
A 4th rounder who is only a return specialist is, IMO, not worth the value of the pick (should be a rotational player on O/D for up to a few years then eventually emerge a starter or significant snaps), but there's still SOME value there.

(10-28-2024, 10:23 AM)ochocincos Wrote: I wouldn't go that far.
What I would say is more fair is he still has growth to do.
We knew he was raw coming out of college.
He was thrust into a starting role because he either gave the coaches optimism he was ready off what they saw in offseason/TC workouts or he was just the best option they had.

I do agree to give Charlie Jones a chance.
Don't keep that guy on the bench on offense because you need him for friggin punt and kick returns.

Why Charlie Jones doesnt get more run is just weird. He was a fourth round pick compared to Yoshi a 7th rounder. 

The coaches obviously see more than us in practice, so gotta kind of trust them here...but Id like to see him get some more reps. Again, it aint like Yoshi is killing it. 

(10-29-2024, 09:43 AM)WeezyBengal Wrote: Why Charlie Jones doesnt get more run is just weird. He was a fourth round pick compared to Yoshi a 7th rounder. 

The coaches obviously see more than us in practice, so gotta kind of trust them here...but Id like to see him get some more reps. Again, it aint like Yoshi is killing it. 

Agreed.
I can only think it has to do with his (lack of) size.
He's only 183 lbs and under 6'0".
Heck, John Ross weighs more than he does.

They might find him too small to play outside and worry he'll get blown up inside coming across the middle?
Or maybe he just hasn't grasped the playbook enough.

(10-28-2024, 11:13 PM)QueenCity Wrote: Considering our play calling is vanilla - I'm very concerned if Burton doesn't know the plays.

(10-29-2024, 12:29 AM)WildCat Wrote: how's that working out? we know how this season ends. let's just admit it.

Lots of Crystal Balls and insiders we have here

(10-28-2024, 11:13 PM)QueenCity Wrote: Considering our play calling is vanilla - I'm very concerned if Burton doesn't know the plays.

Burton may have some maturity issues...but his performance on the field was never in question..someone started this rumor he does not know the plays and its not true..does he make some expected rookie mistakes..I would imagine so

(10-28-2024, 09:44 AM)BengalsLUFC Wrote: It’s ***** frustrating but at this point just have him run go routes.

Hes either gonna make a couple of 40 yard catches per game or he’s gonna get doubled which will create space for Chase and Tee.

I don’t think there’s been many snaps with all 3 of em on the field actually running routes, another Taylor **** up.

sounds like another Duke Tobin "dukie" pick
I can see taking a chance on a guy like this in later rounds but rd 3? 
Sounds like he was not vetted which is what we come to expect with the rinky dink scouting dept and the adopted son running things as pretend GM 

(10-28-2024, 09:48 PM)BengalFanInNJ Wrote: Before giving up on Yoshi, remember that Houshmandzadeh’s first THREE seasons were quite subpar. I remember we didn’t understand why he wasn’t cut.

So was Auden Tate, Josh Malone, Cody Core, James Wright, Ryan Whalen, Dezmon Briscoe, etc, etc, etc.... That's up there with "Tom Brady was a 6th round pick" in just because it happened once doesn't mean we should ignore that the other hundreds of times it didn't happen as being the more likely outcome.