(11-11-2024, 11:00 AM)Millhouse Wrote: The Bengals since Marvin Lewis became coach changed a lot 'cosmetic' wise. Locker rooms, practice facilities, and general amenities for players changed a ton as opposed to the Dark Age days and before. But yeah, in regards to the front office, not much has really changed has it in terms of an operational level has it? 

you sir are correct the business model hasn't changed a bit it was the thing that frustrated Carson palmer, Marvin Lewis, chad ocho,Andrew Whitworth, a.j green and a host of others..the business model has to change..

(11-10-2024, 09:32 PM)THE PISTONS Wrote: It feels like they largely draft from the draftnics big boards more in recent years. Might be coincidence.

Bengals took McKinnley Jackson in 3rd round pick #98 most boards had him around 150 to 175. The Bengals go against analytics while drafting alot ( Age, Production, Athleticism etc).

(11-11-2024, 11:47 AM)Synric Wrote: Bengals took McKinnley Jackson in 3rd round pick #98 most boards had him around 150 to 175. The Bengals go against analytics while drafting alot ( Age, Production, Athleticism etc).

They seem to reach for perceived need, when they could likely have traded back a few spots and still got their guy.

(11-11-2024, 11:47 AM)Synric Wrote: Bengals took McKinnley Jackson in 3rd round pick #98 most boards had him around 150 to 175. The Bengals go against analytics while drafting alot ( Age, Production, Athleticism etc).

I watched the Titans/Chargers game yesterday, not impressed with Sweat. He was a complete nonfactor, no penetration and was easily moved by a singular blocker. Small sample size, I know since it was the first time watching him, but I am more impressed with Jackson

(11-10-2024, 09:32 PM)THE PISTONS Wrote: It feels like they largely draft from the draftnics big boards more in recent years. Might be coincidence.

Remember when so many were excited that the Bengals drafted Jermaine Burton? Yeah, that already seems like a lifetime ago as he appears to be headed toward the John Ross led pile of bad picks..

(11-11-2024, 11:47 AM)Synric Wrote: Bengals took McKinnley Jackson in 3rd round pick #98 most boards had him around 150 to 175. The Bengals go against analytics while drafting alot ( Age, Production, Athleticism etc).

There are definitely times they do. And the guys seem to usually be from big schools that are on TV a lot. Not always, but it happens.

Like Murphy was probably drafted too high. Carman maybe a round too high.

(11-11-2024, 12:25 PM)SunsetBengal Wrote: Remember when so many were excited that the Bengals drafted Jermaine Burton? Yeah, that already seems like a lifetime ago as he appears to be headed toward the John Ross led pile of bad picks..

Yes. I feel like nearly every guy we draft has a decent bit of the board excited. Like Wow! We just drafted 7 great players.

In reality, if you get 2 good starters from a draft, you did well.

we are kicking some tires today it seems

I agree with him. I thought we had changed but we haven't. Chase price only going up. When you guarantee a contract you have to put all the money in the bank up front. Having just done that with Burrow MB Needed a break to collect more money from fans. Just my opinion but I'm 46 an have watched this over and over.

Seems like the same thing.

The moment we kept all 10 draft picks should have been a sign to all. Do you know the odds of a draft pick being good? And we kept all 10!!!??? That's a 5th of our roster. CHEAP!!!!! Trying to replace talent with bodies. How's that working out? Now we are looking for leftover bums in FA in week 10!!! We needed some of those in March.

Meanwhile we have plenty of cash that we "saved" for Chase. But we didn't use it. So guess where it's sitting? MBs wallet.

(11-11-2024, 11:47 AM)Synric Wrote: Bengals took McKinnley Jackson in 3rd round pick #98 most boards had him around 150 to 175. The Bengals go against analytics while drafting alot ( Age, Production, Athleticism etc).

By not signing a NT in free agency, the Bengals FO backed themselves into a corner and had to get McKinnley Jackson so they were forced (by their own doing) to over draft him, and couldn't risk not getting him. 

(11-11-2024, 11:00 AM)Millhouse Wrote: The Bengals since Marvin Lewis became coach changed a lot 'cosmetic' wise. Locker rooms, practice facilities, and general amenities for players changed a ton as opposed to the Dark Age days and before. But yeah, in regards to the front office, not much has really changed has it in terms of an operational level has it? 

(11-11-2024, 11:04 AM)Tlawsonmariat82 Wrote: you sir are correct the business model hasn't changed a bit it was the thing that frustrated Carson palmer, Marvin Lewis, chad ocho,Andrew Whitworth, a.j green and a host of others..the business model has to change..

This is what I am talking about in my "No longer falling for it" thread.

(11-11-2024, 11:04 AM)Tlawsonmariat82 Wrote: you sir are correct the business model hasn't changed a bit it was the thing that frustrated Carson palmer, Marvin Lewis, chad ocho,Andrew Whitworth, a.j green and a host of others..the business model has to change..

Yes, it sure seems we got a good bit more "window dressing" for a change. But the baseline core running of the program is still much the same as before.

(11-11-2024, 12:18 PM)sandwedge Wrote: I watched the Titans/Chargers game yesterday, not impressed with Sweat. He was a complete nonfactor, no penetration and was easily moved by a singular blocker. Small sample size, I know since it was the first time watching him, but I am more impressed with Jackson

(11-11-2024, 04:25 PM)DesertBengal Wrote: By not signing a NT in free agency, the Bengals FO backed themselves into a corner and had to get McKinnley Jackson so they were forced (by their own doing) to over draft him, and couldn't risk not getting him. 

I'm not hating on McKinnley Jackson I liked him in the pre-drsft process he reminds me of Pat Sims solid rotational NT. I'm just pointing out an example of the Bengals going against analytics. Myles Murphy is another size and athleticism but low production. The Erick All case is one we see often with Cincy drafting injured players that end up injured (PS I liked what Erick All was doing this season too.)