(11-13-2024, 06:08 PM)J24 Wrote: They were 18th in points in 2021 and 7th in Points in 2022. Part of Lous strategy is give up yards not points.

That is more luck than anything else. If teams are racking up yards, they are more likely to score points. There is likely a correlation to yards = points. The bengals might be the outlier… but same for 2005. If not for Tory James and deltha oneal, that bengals team isn’t winning 11 games.

(11-13-2024, 06:31 PM)J24 Wrote: 29th!

It’s actually 26. Not good, still.

(11-13-2024, 07:52 PM)Bengalbug Wrote: That is more luck than anything else.  If teams are racking up yards, they are more likely to score points.  There is likely a correlation to yards = points.  The bengals might be the outlier… but same for 2005.  If not for Tory James and deltha oneal, that bengals team isn’t winning 11 games.

That is true for sure. Would like to have a lot less yards on top of the points, with more stops and turnovers like the elite Defenses do.

But even mediocre would be nice at this point.

(11-13-2024, 07:56 PM)Bengalbug Wrote: It’s actually 26.  Not good, still.

Thanks, nope, not good. 

(11-13-2024, 07:52 PM)Bengalbug Wrote: That is more luck than anything else.  If teams are racking up yards, they are more likely to score points.  There is likely a correlation to yards = points.  The bengals might be the outlier… but same for 2005.  If not for Tory James and deltha oneal, that bengals team isn’t winning 11 games.

We were really good in redzone defense and forced Turnovers(to your point) in 2022. 

(11-13-2024, 06:17 PM)samhain Wrote: The 21 and 22 defenses had a knack for making huge plays at critical times.  This team has no such magic.

Like I said earlier, when the field got smaller, they got a lot tougher to score on.

(11-13-2024, 04:16 PM)J24 Wrote: disagree on Reader; his presence alone would help free up Hill and Hendrickson more often.

absolutely true, Reader was solid and part of the line success. BTW Detroit still has Ragnoroc, who was projected to be the bengal's center...snatched outta of our hands by 1.

(11-13-2024, 10:23 PM)Bengalitis Wrote: absolutely true, Reader was solid and part of the line success. BTW Detroit still has Ragnoroc, who was projected to be the bengal's center...snatched outta of our hands by 1.

Pretty sure that’s the Vikings.

(11-13-2024, 10:22 PM)SunsetBengal Wrote: Like I said earlier, when the field got smaller, they got a lot tougher to score on.

this is the case for, literally, every nfl team. It’s always easier when you have more yards to work with.

(11-13-2024, 10:23 PM)Bengalitis Wrote: absolutely true, Reader was solid and part of the line success. BTW Detroit still has Ragnoroc, who was projected to be the bengal's center...snatched outta of our hands by 1.

We gave up the same rushing yards on a per game basis in 23 as we are in 24.

(11-13-2024, 11:13 PM)Bengalbug Wrote: We gave up the same rushing yards on a per game basis in 23 as we are in 24.

Were actually better in yards per attempt with 4.2 this season vs 4.7 last year. Our biggest struggle last season happened when Reader was off the field.

(11-14-2024, 12:23 AM)J24 Wrote: Were actually better in yards per attempt with 4.2 this season vs 4.7 last year. Our biggest struggle last season happened when Reader was off the field.

Was 4.2 in 2022 and 4.3 in 2021.. yards per attempt.

I’m really not trying to throw shade at reader, or give praise to rankins. It is really about the same as it has always been, except the bengals have not won some of the close games. If we win 2 of the close games and we are sitting at 6-4, we are not sitting here talking about a lot of this stuff.
Regular season bengals have always been on the arm of burrow, defense has been a liability for the duration of Zac/lou tenure, especially in the regular season.

Bates to Hill to Scott to Stone.

Reader to Rankins.

Mixon to Moss.

Awuzie to CTB.

Bell to Scott to older Bell.

Boyd to Iosivas.

Now, there have been some upgrades. But most of those have been negated by injuries. OT, with OBJ + Trent Brown + Mims is better. But 2 guys are hurt. Ditto TE, where Gesicki + All was an upgrade, but the magnitude of it dropped with All hurt. Hill's move to CB was looking like a beight spot until he went down. An Apple upgrade for sure. And healthy Higgins to hurt Higgins is hurting us as well.

(11-14-2024, 02:08 AM)Bengalbug Wrote: Was 4.2 in 2022 and 4.3 in 2021.. yards per attempt.

I’m really not trying to throw shade at reader, or give praise to rankins. It is really about the same as it has always been, except the bengals have not won some of the close games.  If we win 2 of the close games and we are sitting at 6-4, we are not sitting here talking about a lot of this stuff.
Regular season bengals have always been on the arm of burrow, defense has been a liability for the duration of Zac/lou tenure, especially in the regular season.

Honestly if we could just make some plays in the 2nd half of games on Defense this team could be 6-4 no problem.

Might be too little too late, but as far as the young players, whoever we get to replace Lou at DC and Hobby at DL coach they shouldn't be in a 
terrible spot and as long we give them some good FA's to replace Rankins and Geno Stone and we Draft decent we could be right back to where 
we were being a contender again with Burrow and Chase to continue to build around.

As TLL and you say Bengalbug, under Lou, the Defense hasn't been good except for making big plays when it mattered and that was years back. 
One thing about Reader when he was here, he could make some big plays stopping the run. He isn't the same for the Lions right now and maybe 
McKinnley Jackson can be this type of NT down the road. I like what I have seen from him as a rookie, he has just been hurt for most of the year.

(11-14-2024, 05:43 AM)Isaac Curtis: The Real #85 Wrote: Bates to Hill to Scott to Stone.

Reader to Rankins.

Mixon to Moss.

Awuzie to CTB.

Bell to Scott to older Bell.

Boyd to Iosivas.

Now, there have been some upgrades. But most of those have been negated by injuries. OT, with OBJ + Trent Brown + Mims is better. But 2 guys are hurt. Ditto TE, where Gesicki + All was an upgrade, but the magnitude of it dropped with All hurt. Hill's move to CB was looking like a beight spot until he went down. An Apple upgrade for sure. And healthy Higgins to hurt Higgins is hurting us as well.

Scott, Stone and Rankins have been huge disappointments for us in FA.

Some downgrades for sure and a few upgrades with injuries being the dark cloud on them. Trent Brown got hurt early but that allowed
Mims to step in and he is having a pretty damn good rookie year and is already an upgrade over Jonah. Bring back Gesicki and I like our 
TE's and we can even add another one for insurance with Erick All always tearing his ACL's, poor dude. Hudson is still good finding holes
in Zone coverage and will always be cheap with his age.

Replacing Stone and Rankins should be easy with how overly paid they are it will free up a lot of dough cutting them. I like some players
that are here already in replacing them in Battle/Tycen and Kris Jenkins.