(01-06-2025, 11:22 AM)jj22 Wrote: It's the same reason why they didn't give Daxton Hill any play to see if he could be a replacement to Bates when they knew they weren't going to extend Bates.

Bates was playing better than Hubbard but they still went into 2023 blind not knowing what they had in their 1st round safety because they never gave him any snaps.

Mike Brown wants his highest paid players to play to earn what they're making.

Agree though, which is why I kinda don't like the Bengals draft strategy under Taylor.
They basically treat rookie year as a wash and have all these guys spend a year as backup.

I feel we only saw Mims, Jenkins, and Jackson because of injuries to Brown and Rankins.

Bengals need to get better at playing their early draft picks out of the gate to get contributions, even if it means benching the incumbent who makes more $$.

Zac has long liked Dennis Allen so that is a name to keep an eye on.

(01-06-2025, 12:55 PM)SladeX Wrote: Which brings me to the next issue.


More and better scouting please. Stop making the coaches scout, and let them concentrate on developing their players.

I honestly don’t know if Tobin needs fired, or if he just needs better information.

Does anyone know Duke actual qualifications? Like did he go to college, did he come up as a scout, was he ever a coach, etc? Not a clue about this guy and if he's even credible at what he does. 

(01-06-2025, 12:55 PM)SladeX Wrote: Which brings me to the next issue.


More and better scouting please. Stop making the coaches scout, and let them concentrate on developing their players.

I honestly don’t know if Tobin needs fired, or if he just needs better information.

I believe it’s the latter; the Bengals need to exploit the growing field of data analytics.

(01-06-2025, 12:55 PM)SladeX Wrote: Which brings me to the next issue.


More and better scouting please. Stop making the coaches scout, and let them concentrate on developing their players.

I honestly don’t know if Tobin needs fired, or if he just needs better information.

1000%

(01-06-2025, 12:44 PM)SladeX Wrote: What
Is your deal?
Coaches move all the time. It’s part of the game, holding your staff accountable. Fresh starts, fresh ideas.

Works great for EVERY OTHER TEAM in the league, and EVERY OTHER SPORT!!!!

Why would the Bengals be different? Why the fear? Is sitting on your hands really a working model?

It's the Bengals F.O. way and hasn't worked in over 3 decades. So I'm all for trying something new

(01-06-2025, 12:55 PM)SladeX Wrote: Which brings me to the next issue.


More and better scouting please. Stop making the coaches scout, and let them concentrate on developing their players.

I honestly don’t know if Tobin needs fired, or if he just needs better information.

Look back at Tobin's coaching/scouting experience prior to becoming Director of Player Personnel in 1999.
It's basically zilch.
Played two years in Arena Football then joined a NFL FO for a couple years before getting promoted to this.
Feels like he got the job primarily because of who his dad was.

I'm confident Tobin built experience along the way, but it feels like he's dependent on the coaches a lot for input/feedback.
And when the scouting department is so small, you also have to pull in the coaches.

Or maybe they get their scouting info from this board 

(01-06-2025, 12:57 PM)bengalfan74 Wrote: It's the Bengals F.O. way and hasn't worked in over 3 decades. So I'm all for trying something new

Mikey Boy will be 90 this year. I think he’s feeling a sense of urgency he should have felt thirty years ago.

(01-06-2025, 11:37 AM)WeezyBengal Wrote: It's both. Coaches can be bad and player evaluation/scouting can be bad.

its simple..play hard and execute....you and I could coach the offensive and defensive line if we put our minds to it...

(01-06-2025, 11:43 AM)KillerGoose Wrote: I'm going to request that you re-read my post. Really try this time. Once you finish, sit back in your chair and think for at least ten seconds. Ask yourself this question...

"Do I really think he was being serious when he typed that out?" 

will do..thanks

Now we just need Mikey boy to step aside. The team needs to get creative with the salary cap for the next few years while Burrow is in his prime. Win a superbowl and then flush it down the toilet. Just win one.

(01-06-2025, 01:00 PM)Fan_in_Kettering Wrote: Mikey Boy will be 90 this year.  I think he’s feeling a sense of urgency he should have felt thirty years ago.

I think Burrow..Katie and Elizabeth  cornered him in his office had a had a very serious discussion

(01-06-2025, 12:56 PM)WeezyBengal Wrote: Does anyone know Duke actual qualifications? Like did he go to college, did he come up as a scout, was he ever a coach, etc? Not a clue about this guy and if he's even credible at what he does. 

I mentioned in another thread a couple of months back. 

A frustrated Bengal fan called Pat Kirwan and Jim Miller on Sirius with the "fire everyone" answer. 

Of all the names mentioned, they balked on firing Duke Tobin the most. I was surprised, I assumed they go to Zac, but Tobin was the one they both said would be silly to fire

(01-06-2025, 11:59 AM)bfine32 Wrote: Those who spent all day yesterday whining about how we would do nothing look kinda silly.

And they are still bitching today, even though they got what they wanted (some of them, anyways).

BTW, for those saying it, Zac's only getting canned if we have 4-13 year or something, with a completely healthy Burrow: he's going nowhere.

(01-06-2025, 12:12 PM)ERIC1 Wrote: you mean the same Zac Taylor that ran one of the best offenses in the NFL

Didn't even read what I wrote.

What exactly is you're M.O.?
 

(01-06-2025, 01:09 PM)bfine32 Wrote: I mentioned in another thread a couple of months back. 

A frustrated Bengal fan called Pat Kirwan and Jim Miller on Sirius with the "fire everyone" answer. 

Of all the names mentioned, they balked on firing Duke Tobin the most. I was surprised, I assumed they go to Zac, but Tobin was the one they both said would be silly to fire

Wasn't Duke's dad a long time executive in the NFL?Maybe Kirwan was protecting him because he was close to Duke's dad?

(01-06-2025, 12:55 PM)jj22 Wrote: Zac has long liked Dennis Allen so that is a name to keep an eye on.

Didn't work out as HC but he has put some good defensive units on the field. 

Who are the best candidates to replace Lou Anarumo as Bengals defensive coordinator?

(01-06-2025, 01:15 PM)J24 Wrote: Wasn't Dukes dad a long time executive in the NFL. Maybe Kirwan was protecting him for this reason.

Perhaps. Both his dad and Uncle spent a lot of time in the NFL.

(01-06-2025, 12:18 PM)bfine32 Wrote: Finally, now he can rest easy. 

I have a feeling he's sleeping like it's the first month of the regular season. 

(01-06-2025, 01:14 PM)Truck_1_0_1_ Wrote: And they are still bitching today, even though they got what they wanted (some of them, anyways).

BTW, for those saying it, Zac's only getting canned if we have 4-13 year or something, with a completely healthy Burrow: he's going nowhere.

Exactly.....these fantasies about Zac being fired are just that.....fantasies.