(Yesterday, 12:49 PM)Joelist Wrote: Let’s keep in mind Bates was not Superman when he was here. He’s prospering in Atlanta because their system on defense fits his skillset well.

Why do you keep spouting this misinformation? Bates had some really, really good years here. He had his highest graded year ever in 2020. 

(Yesterday, 01:34 PM)WeezyBengal Wrote: Why do you keep spouting this misinformation? Bates had some really, really good years here. He had his highest graded year ever in 2020. 

He was great that year. I have no idea what his grade was, but I was really impressed with him out the gate when he was a rookie in 2018. It'd be nice to have that impression of a rookie on defense again. Now it's "he might develop into a contributor" at best.

(Yesterday, 01:34 PM)WeezyBengal Wrote: Why do you keep spouting this misinformation? Bates had some really, really good years here. He had his highest graded year ever in 2020. 

It's not misinformation.

He was good his rookie year, bad his 2nd year, great his 3rd year, and then mediocre in his 4th and 5th years. He was amazing in the 2021 postseason and forgettable in the 2022 postseason.

He was never consistent here and had more lows/mids than highs.

(Yesterday, 01:34 PM)WeezyBengal Wrote: Why do you keep spouting this misinformation? Bates had some really, really good years here. He had his highest graded year ever in 2020. 

Because it's not misinformation. You seem to forget him getting burned repeatedly and then claiming his contract had him distracted. He was okay while here not some superstar. 

(Yesterday, 02:30 PM)TheLeonardLeap Wrote: It's not misinformation.

He was good his rookie year, bad his 2nd year, great his 3rd year, and then mediocre in his 4th and 5th years. He was amazing in the 2021 postseason and forgettable in the 2022 postseason.

He was never consistent here and had more lows/mids than highs.

He's an all pro quality player. He showed that when he was here. He is showing that in Atlanta.

(01-12-2025, 12:31 PM)TheLeonardLeap Wrote:


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CTB was in his 3rd season.

If your players don't respect you enough to be in shape and be professionals, then you need to be fired regardless. All this "Lou is a fall guy" nonsense started up awfully quick. Guy had a below average defense in 5 of his 6 career years as a DC. But sure, it's just some bad luck and injuries.

Truth lol

Lou's Defense lived off the fact they made big plays at big times in the biggest of games. Imagine if we had a Defense that could 
actually tackle well, cover well and have another End besides Trey that could rush the passer...

All the while make a big play here and there. Need to start with the fundamentals and then at worst you have a good Defense that
doesn't get as many turnovers as you would like. As we all know, when it rains it pours with turnovers on Defense, you shouldn't 
count on turnovers as being your life saver.

(Yesterday, 01:06 PM)SunsetBengal Wrote: Agreed, I was just letting him know what the "public word" was when the team was asked about the perceived improvement in secondary play (safety position in particular)

On another note, I think that the secondary will look better this year simply by having Dax Hill and DJ Turner back and healthy. We knew it was going to be a shit show when they went down for the year, and all we were left with was CTB and some back of the roster guys.

With Hill and Turner back I think we will be better in the secondary as well.  You also have Jenkins and Jackson getting playing time their rookie year and I would expect they will be better too having a season under their belt.  Jackson missed most of training camp and started the season on IR so you also have to consider that when looking at his progress this year.  I do think we need to add a pass rushing DE and a good DT to the defensive line.  If there is a proven CB out there maybe you take a look. A new DC with a fresh perspective could help as well.   I think the defense could be much improved next year.

(01-12-2025, 11:23 PM)samhain Wrote: Wonder if that's why Mikey and Elizabeth looked so pissy in the luxury box during that game.

Not sure, and I also wondered if it sparked Burrow making comments about seeing who is dedicated and serious about playing hard and winning.

(Yesterday, 12:17 PM)WeezyBengal Wrote: What was his excuse for playing an injured/ineffective Hubbard the entire year? 

If Hubbard is injured and cant perform, he needs to let the coaching staff know, otherwise they are going to put him out there.  Orlando Brown Jr. let the coach staff know he couldnt do it and they sat him for games.  When Hubbard did sit they had Myles Murphy taking snaps who is a bust at this point.  Otherwise you had Ossai taking snaps and he didnt show anything until the end of the season.  LDE was a problem this year and Hubbard is part of that problem.  He was horrible last year, he was horrible this year.  Maybe the problem is he just isnt good at this point in his career.

(Yesterday, 11:42 AM)rfaulk34 Wrote: Weird. So Dunlap's dad didn't post here or the mothership at all? I would have bet money on that...

The only family members I remember were:

Torro (MJ's dad)
Bengal SiS (Shayne Graham's sister)
MUTiger (Chase Coffman's fiance's Dad). Neither lasted long. I hope the marriage lasted longer 

the narratives about "this good player wasnt even that good" is mainly garbage. And it ends up defending this subpar front office more than anything

(Yesterday, 05:05 PM)007BengalsFan Wrote: With Hill and Turner back I think we will be better in the secondary as well.  You also have Jenkins and Jackson getting playing time their rookie year and I would expect they will be better too having a season under their belt.  Jackson missed most of training camp and started the season on IR so you also have to consider that when looking at his progress this year.  I do think we need to add a pass rushing DE and a good DT to the defensive line.  If there is a proven CB out there maybe you take a look. A new DC with a fresh perspective could help as well.   I think the defense could be much improved next year.

I think the young guys in the secondary getting snaps after the injuries helps as well.  Not saying that Newton, Wilson and Ivey are world-beaters, just that having a little more experience down the depth chart might be a benefit.

I'll never be surprised to see this team draft or sign a cb.  It's always been a priority position for them.

(Yesterday, 05:52 PM)Frank Booth Wrote: the narratives about "this good player wasnt even that good" is mainly garbage. And it ends up defending this subpar front office more than anything

Anyone who states Jessie Bates wasn't a good player here is wrong

Anyone who states we should have given him All-Pro money to keep him is also wrong.

The important thing to remember is in both situations I'm right. 

(Yesterday, 05:57 PM)bfine32 Wrote: Anyone who states Jessie Bates wasn't a good player here is wrong

Anyone who states we should have given him All-Pro money to keep him is also wrong.

The important thing to remember is in both situations I'm right. 

Bates contributions were more than observable...he was the glue that held the secondary together...bengals could have afforded to keep him

(Yesterday, 05:57 PM)bfine32 Wrote: Anyone who states Jessie Bates wasn't a good player here is wrong

Anyone who states we should have given him All-Pro money to keep him is also wrong.

The important thing to remember is in both situations I'm right. 

Laughably wrong on the second part.

(01-12-2025, 10:50 PM)Nicomo Cosca Wrote: His son was friends with DJ Reader.

Yup, that's how he had inside info. I wish the dude didn't get banned as I enjoyed his posts.

(01-12-2025, 03:26 PM)SunsetBengal Wrote: Yeah, I think that I received the same or similar PM.

You guys can reverse his ban if it was for him calling me an idiot in the cowboy game thread.

I had his spazzy ass on ignore and was engaging him less and less.

(Yesterday, 07:45 PM)J24 Wrote: Laughably wrong on the second part.

Welp, I'm right on the 3rd part. so I cannot be wrong on the 2nd

(Today, 01:18 AM)bfine32 Wrote: Welp, I'm right on the 3rd part. so I cannot be wrong on the 2nd

Nope

(Yesterday, 05:31 PM)007BengalsFan Wrote: If Hubbard is injured and cant perform, he needs to let the coaching staff know, otherwise they are going to put him out there.  Orlando Brown Jr. let the coach staff know he couldnt do it and they sat him for games.  When Hubbard did sit they had Myles Murphy taking snaps who is a bust at this point.  Otherwise you had Ossai taking snaps and he didnt show anything until the end of the season.  LDE was a problem this year and Hubbard is part of that problem.  He was horrible last year, he was horrible this year.  Maybe the problem is he just isnt good at this point in his career.

Hubbard,has never been anything but below  average to average.Now,he isn't even that good.Time to cut the cord,and move on.They spent a first round pick on Murphy.Time for him,to put his big boy pants on.