(01-13-2025, 01:16 PM)Jpoore Wrote: Well that’s the problem. If you’re comparing him to what he was said coming out that’s the problem. Just look at boy of work.especially this last year. Did a light job finally click? He’s been my dream 3rd round pick. But think he’s gotta go rd2 now. And would have no qualms there. At worst he’s a prime Sam Hubbard but a better pass rusher. A 8-9 sack a year guy. And a leader of men. You take that all day. At best? He turns into max Crosby. (no this isn’t likely)

You’re dreaming if you think tyliek makes it to rd2.  He’s pretty consensually top 20 on big boards.

Sawyer had 14 sacks his first three years, while Hubbard had 17. It's far from a slam dunk he will be a better pass rusher.  Looking at college production, Sawyer is a poor man's Hubbard.  

(01-13-2025, 01:27 PM)SunsetBengal Wrote: The highly acclaimed MDD consensus has him currently at 34, which I feel is 20-30 spots too high. As good as he is at times, there are also games where he disappears and is a non-factor.

As for Sawyer, that same big board has him currently at 47, yes he did have a good year, but once his speed is measured I feel like he's going to drop at least by a round.

Sawyer projected a 4.6 40 time. Regarding Williams you’re right. Teams may want him to lose weight. He was extremely impactful in pass rusher as a rookie when he was playing 290. Team wanted him to play Nose, so he’s now 320. Still very impactful but not as agile.

(01-13-2025, 02:34 PM)SunsetBengal Wrote: I'm not sure where that 5.6 number came from, I don't think that he's quite that slow, but you'd like to see 4.8 or better from an edge rusher with his size/weight.

Expected 4.6

(01-13-2025, 02:36 PM)Whatever Wrote: Sawyer had 14 sacks his first three years, while Hubbard had 17. It's far from a slam dunk he will be a better pass rusher.  Looking at college production, Sawyer is a poor man's Hubbard.  

I think sawyer is gonna test much better than you think.

(01-14-2025, 11:32 AM)Jpoore Wrote: I think sawyer is gonna test much better than you think.

Nah he's gonna run a 4.8 or high 4.7 and not even touch Sam Hubbard's 3-cone which was ridiculous. The big question will be is a 1.5 guy or a 1.6 guy in the 10 yard split. I believe he's going to be closer to a high 1.6 guy. 

(01-12-2025, 02:52 PM)Goalpost Wrote: Today's Jack Sawyer mean, mean pride

We are on same page my dude

If we are considering him for round 1, I hope him, or any Edge rusher has athletic abilities close to Watt or Hendrickson.

Also, heart. I want a DE/Edge who every snap is like a dog after a bone. Relentless and all out every snap.

To me, that is something any scout should easily pick up on watching film.

Judging from what he had to say here, perhaps I misjudged him in terms of pro transformable.

(01-12-2025, 03:44 PM)SunsetBengal Wrote: Pass, 2nd round is too high for Captain Jack. He never did quite live up to the hype and expectations at OSU. Not that he isn't a strong, solid player; It's just that he was sold as the next version of one of the Bosas, which clearly he was not. If he's still on the board in the 5th, that might be worth a chance on him.

(10 hours ago)SunsetBengal Wrote: Judging from what he had to say here, perhaps I misjudged him in terms of pro transformable.

He’s a leader 100%. And I still say he’s a much better athlete than he’s given credit for. In rd2 if him or Donovan Jackson are there I’m running to the podium. Same for watts

(01-14-2025, 11:38 AM)Synric Wrote: Nah he's gonna run a 4.8 or high 4.7 and not even touch Sam Hubbard's 3-cone which was ridiculous. The big question will be is a 1.5 guy or a 1.6 guy in the 10 yard split. I believe he's going to be closer to a high 1.6 guy. 

nfldraftbuzz has him at 4.60

(01-13-2025, 02:34 PM)SunsetBengal Wrote: I'm not sure where that 5.6 number came from, I don't think that he's quite that slow, but you'd like to see 4.8 or better from an edge rusher with his size/weight.

That would be faster than Hubbard’s glacier-slow 4.9’s…