Dane Brugler released a 2-round mock today. Not a fan lol.

The Bengals picks are #17 Mykel Williams Edge Georgia, #49 Marcus Mbow T/G Purdue.

https://www.nytimes.com/athletic/6060013/2025/01/15/nfl-mock-draft-2025-rounds-1-2-cam-ward-shedeur-sanders/

Quote:17. Cincinnati Bengals: Mykel Williams, Edge, Georgia
Last year, the Bengals drafted a toolsy offensive lineman from Georgia in the first round (Amarius Mims). They flip to the other side of the ball and do it again in this mock. Williams looked like a future top-10 pick as a freshman, but he didn’t quite reach dominant status over his three seasons in Athens. The talent, however, is there for him to grow into a game-wrecker off the edge.

I used to like him, but how can he put us with taking Myles Murphy 2.0??

If the draft started EDGE, then G/T, I'd be ok with it. An argument could be made on what players though, in particular Mbow who seems to be a slight reach.

I'm OK with Williams but still prefer his teammate Walker at the moment.

*throws up a bit in mouth*

Don’t know much about mbow yet. Matt miller on espn plus posted his list of 12 players with a true round 1 grade in this draft. FWIW, Williams was on that list and if his rankings hold any water, I would take that in rd 1

(01-15-2025, 11:36 AM)Synric Wrote: Dane Brugler released a 2-round mock today. Not a fan lol.

The Bengals picks are #17 Mykel Williams Edge Georgia, #49 Marcus Mbow T/G Purdue.

https://www.nytimes.com/athletic/6060013/2025/01/15/nfl-mock-draft-2025-rounds-1-2-cam-ward-shedeur-sanders/

(01-15-2025, 11:39 AM)SunsetBengal Wrote: I used to like him, but how can he put us with taking Myles Murphy 2.0??

I like Mykel Williams's ceiling, but I like Abdul Carter, Nic Scourton, and James Pearce Jr over him.
I wouldn't trust the previous DL Coach/DC to properly coach him up, but I might change my mind depending on who takes over.
For now, I want high-floor, and we've seen Carter, Scourton, and Pearce each have at least one season of double-digit sacks in their college career.

(01-15-2025, 07:52 PM)ochocincos Wrote: I like Mykel Williams's ceiling, but I like Abdul Carter, Nic Scourton, and James Pearce Jr over him.
I wouldn't trust the previous DL Coach/DC to properly coach him up, but I might change my mind depending on who takes over.
For now, I want high-floor, and we've seen Carter, Scourton, and Pearce each have at least one season of double-digit sacks in their college career.

It's tough judging guys from talent laden teams. It's like 50/50 on weather they are actually that good, or just have gaudy stats as a product of the talent around them. (see Myles Murphy as a prime example)

(01-15-2025, 08:11 PM)SunsetBengal Wrote: It's tough judging guys from talent laden teams. It's like 50/50 on weather they are actually that good, or just have gaudy stats as a product of the talent around them. (see Myles Murphy as a prime example)

I've looked into all of them though, and Williams looks like the most project out of the ones I listed.

And Murphy never had gaudy stats. He never had more than 7 sacks in a season in college.
Maybe I misinterpreted why you used Murphy as an example though.

(01-15-2025, 08:21 PM)ochocincos Wrote: I've looked into all of them though, and Williams looks like the most project out of the ones I listed.

And Murphy never had gaudy stats. He never had more than 7 sacks in a season in college.
Maybe I misinterpreted why you used Murphy as an example though.

It's true that he didn't have big sack numbers, or even a high tackle count. I think that he was perceived as being a strong pass rusher due to the number of pressures and QB hits over his career. (though I can't find the stats on that for the college level)

(01-15-2025, 08:26 PM)SunsetBengal Wrote: It's true that he didn't have big sack numbers, or even a high tackle count. I think that he was perceived as being a strong pass rusher due to the number of pressures and QB hits over his career. (though I can't find the stats on that for the college level)

https://www.pff.com/nfl/players/myles-murphy/122154/draft-profile

Not to pile on Murphy, but NO.  27 Hurries+Sacks in 355 pass rush snaps.
Mykel Williams 20 hurries+sacks in 250 pass rush snaps.
Sawyer: 44/349
Carter: 56/355.
Peirce: 51/257.
Last year Laiatu Latu: 51 hurries/sacks in 304.
2023: Will Anderson: 56/382.

Obviously sack are better than hurries, run defense is also a thing, and potential counts.

(01-15-2025, 07:52 PM)ochocincos Wrote: I like Mykel Williams's ceiling, but I like Abdul Carter, Nic Scourton, and James Pearce Jr over him.
I wouldn't trust the previous DL Coach/DC to properly coach him up, but I might change my mind depending on who takes over.
For now, I want high-floor, and we've seen Carter, Scourton, and Pearce each have at least one season of double-digit sacks in their college career.

I think Carter is trending towards a top 5 pick or at a minimum top 10. He won't be there at 17.

I want high ceiling and high floor in round 1.

(01-16-2025, 02:20 PM)Luvnit2 Wrote: I think Carter is trending towards a top 5 pick or at a minimum top 10. He won't be there at 17.

I want high ceiling and high floor in round 1.

I agree on Carter, was just mentioning him in the DEs I have ahead of MW.

I think Pearce and Scourton are both high ceiling but also high floor guys, personally.
At least as pass rushers, which is what I want the higher pick DEs to be good at.

Scourton is gonna be your bigger style DE, someone that Marvin would have typically liked.
Pearce is a bit smaller weight wise (~245 for Pearce vs ~275 for Scourton) but he's faster and twitchier.

Scourton better as a run defender but Pearce more what I would want as a pass rusher on the end if staying 4-3.

Scourton is more of the DE that lines up across from the RT who would replace Hubbard. Pearce is more in line with replacing Hendrickson.

I haven't delved deeply into the draft yet, but our DL is in no shape to take a guy that needs to develop.

Banks and tyliek sitting right there….

(01-18-2025, 01:09 AM)Jpoore Wrote: Banks and tyliek sitting right there….

James Pearce Jr going 2 picks later is the one that gets me. Bengals have been a below average pass rush team for the past 3 seasons and Pearce was the most disruptive player in the SEC over the last two seasons. 

(01-16-2025, 02:20 PM)Luvnit2 Wrote: I think Carter is trending towards a top 5 pick or at a minimum top 10. He won't be there at 17.

I want high ceiling and high floor in round 1.

Frankly, like last year, the entire picking order will be dictated by who's reaching for a QB.  Remember Verse was projected as top 10 as well (and rightly so) right up till the draft, but fell mostly due to offense being prioritized.

(01-18-2025, 12:52 PM)Stewy Wrote: Frankly, like last year, the entire picking order will be dictated by who's reaching for a QB.  Remember Verse was projected as top 10 as well (and rightly so) right up till the draft, but fell mostly due to offense being prioritized.

Abdul Carter has a case for best overall prospect in the 2025 draft class. The top 5 will probably have some kinda combination of Cam Ward, Shedeur Sanders, Travis Hunter, Abdul Carter, and then a toss up between Mason Graham, Tetairoa McMillian, and Will Johnson.

I'd prefer the 2 players taken immediately after we picked

Kelvin Banks-LG

Deonte Walker-DT

(01-18-2025, 04:34 PM)bfine32 Wrote: I'd prefer the 2 players taken immediately after we picked

Kelvin Banks-LG

Deonte Walker-DT

This is the way. 1T and OG need immediate upgrades. Both would be upgrades.