(02-07-2025, 10:57 AM)ERIC1 Wrote: You keep throwing the word assume in my lil friend..Have you not been paying attention the past two years..specific to higgins health or lack thereof..there is no assumption only facts that you fail to recognize and accept....secondly..he has  chronic  high proximal tendionapthy..these  are non contact injuries  that never fully go away..if anything they get worse

You're still assuming at the best, 
and claiming to be psychic (predict the future) at worst.

Give it up, pal.
Nobody knows the future.

(02-06-2025, 02:14 PM)TheLeonardLeap Wrote: Yuuuup. It's not any form of sacrifice or compromise at all. It's not like he's taking a paycut or anything, so it's not news.

The Bengals were already going to be cheap when it comes to guaranteed money because of it having to go into escrow or being paid immediately. Restructuring is just more money that needs to be paid now on top of Chase's guaranteed money, Hendrickson's guaranteed money, Tee's guaranteed money, and now Burrow's restructured bonus.... and we haven't even begun to add anyone to actually improve the team yet. So I don't see the Bengals FO suddenly pulling $300m in liquid cash out of their asses and either spending it immediately or putting it into escrow.

"cash strapped" is such a terrible term to use with revenue sharing and the massive mountains of money the NFL makes every year. In the last 3 year alone, the Bengals have received over 1B dollars from the NFL. They've owned the team since its inception. Does anyone really think this org ever operates at a defecit? Ever?

They have plenty of money and plenty of that money could be put in escrow easily. All that's doing is moving it around. It's not like they're handing it over immediately to never be seen again. The Bengals value is over 5B now, which is very low if not the lowest in the league, so while they're comparatively poor to the rest of the NFL teams, they're not nearly too poor to be able to put money aside for multiple players. 

The one thing the Bengals absolutely do hate to do is pay someone's contract, when they're not still employed by the team. That's where the snag always comes in. The guaranteed money. They seemingly can't fathom the thought of having to pay someone without some ROI. That's why they hang on to players and coaches way longer than anyone else. They don't want to have to double up on salaries. They will wring every available dollar from a contract before moving on, with very limited exceptions.

btw, this isn't a lecture @ you. I'm just replying to this post after reading and getting thoughts from several others.

(02-06-2025, 02:46 PM)ERIC1 Wrote: and these "great players together."..as it now stands give us a .500 franchise..and the one great player Higgins..plays only 50% of offensive snaps in the season because of chronic injuries

(02-07-2025, 10:37 AM)ERIC1 Wrote: I dont assume anything ..Higgins has missed a third of the season the past two years and many games that he has played in he is pulled early beacause of his hamstring issues..Are you not paying attention

Please show us where Tee missed 11+ games in 2023 and 2024. I think you are exaggerating to make your point.

(02-07-2025, 01:28 PM)Luvnit2 Wrote: Please show us where Tee missed 11+ games in 2023 and 2024. I think you are exaggerating to make your point.

I think 2023 and 2024 combined he missed 11 games

(02-07-2025, 12:51 PM)rfaulk34 Wrote: "cash strapped" is such a terrible term to use with revenue sharing and the massive mountains of money the NFL makes every year.

I never used that term. 

It's true they don't have the same amount of liquid cash on hand as other owners, but also they just are cheap and looking at it 100% as a business rather than 50% a business and 50% a status symbol/hobby/pasttime like other owners. It's a matter of them thinking that if they can get that $300m to $100m and push the other $200m to way in the future, that's $200m that they get months or even years to make money off of rather than letting someone else make that money.

Once the money is in escrow, they can't invest it and make money off it.

For example if they push even $20m in guarantees to 2027 rather than having to put them in escrow now, and they make 5% off it through investments for those two years, and that's $2,050,000 that they get back in their pockets. 

Meanwhile players want those signing bonuses because that's money that THEY can make money off of now.

(02-07-2025, 10:41 AM)Tomkat Wrote: You cannot just assume he'll be injured like it's a foregone conclusion.  That's like thinking red or black is "due" to come up on a roulette wheel.
Is it possible he'll get injured?  Sure, but anyone can get injured.  Tee is good enough to be worth that risk.

tee higgins suffers from high chronic proximal tendionapthy..its not an injury nor was it caused by trauma..and he will be dealing with it the rest of his life........respectfully yours Health Care Guy

(02-07-2025, 01:28 PM)Luvnit2 Wrote: Please show us where Tee missed 11+ games in 2023 and 2024. I think you are exaggerating to make your point.

not only did higgins miss those games ..but he was pulled early in numreous other games because of his chronic hamstring problems

(02-07-2025, 01:23 PM)rfaulk34 Wrote:

no..I juts deal with facts and dont live in pretend land..I like tee higgins..he is a very good receiver..but he has a serious chronic condition that is not going away

(02-07-2025, 01:35 PM)TheLeonardLeap Wrote: I never used that term. 

It's true they don't have the same amount of liquid cash on hand as other owners, but also they just are cheap and looking at it 100% as a business rather than 50% a business and 50% a status symbol/hobby/pasttime like other owners. It's a matter of them thinking that if they can get that $300m to $100m and push the other $200m to way in the future, that's $200m that they get months or even years to make money off of rather than letting someone else make that money.

Once the money is in escrow, they can't invest it and make money off it.

For example if they push even $20m in guarantees to 2027 rather than having to put them in escrow now, and they make 5% off it through investments for those two years, and that's $2,050,000 that they get back in their pockets. 

Meanwhile players want those signing bonuses because that's money that THEY can make money off of now.

Nailed it Leap

(02-07-2025, 01:32 PM)Frank Booth Wrote: I think 2023 and 2024 combined he missed 11 games

He did miss 10 games, 5 each in 2023 and 2024. That is not 1/3 as was claimed. He missed 29%. Yes, still a huge number and a concern.

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(02-07-2025, 12:51 PM)rfaulk34 Wrote: "cash strapped" is such a terrible term to use with revenue sharing and the massive mountains of money the NFL makes every year. In the last 3 year alone, the Bengals have received over 1B dollars from the NFL. They've owned the team since its inception. Does anyone really think this org ever operates at a defecit? Ever?

They have plenty of money and plenty of that money could be put in escrow easily. All that's doing is moving it around. It's not like they're handing it over immediately to never be seen again. The Bengals value is over 5B now, which is very low if not the lowest in the league, so while they're comparatively poor to the rest of the NFL teams, they're not nearly too poor to be able to put money aside for multiple players. 

The one thing the Bengals absolutely do hate to do is pay someone's contract, when they're not still employed by the team. That's where the snag always comes in. The guaranteed money. They seemingly can't fathom the thought of having to pay someone without some ROI. That's why they hang on to players and coaches way longer than anyone else. They don't want to have to double up on salaries. They will wring every available dollar from a contract before moving on, with very limited exceptions.

btw, this isn't a lecture @ you. I'm just replying to this post after reading and getting thoughts from several others.

True but it might not even paying someone for their actual ROI as much as just paying someone for not working. There have been plenty of players and coaches that have walked thru that door providing little if any ROI especially in later years. Yes, they're working but are they providing? 

Joe ain't appreciate shading his defense. As bad as they was.

They don't need to restructure Joe's contract to afford Tee, Chase, Trey, and others.

(02-06-2025, 06:41 PM)Isaac Curtis: The Real #85 Wrote: Yeah. If we buy the drop off is due to injury (Hubbard, Cappa), then a replacement may not be necessary. Rankins could be in that category as well. 

But LG needs upgraded even if Cappa rebounds. And Hubbard isn't a great pass rusher even at his best. And even with Rankins, we still need DT help. 

If we can get Tee, Chase, Trey, Mike G. and the Burrow restructure done quickly, it will help us attract other guys in FA. It will show we are serious about being a contender. 

A ring chaser/vet would have us on their list then. Some maybe be cheap (Calais Campbell at DT), mid-range (Zeitler at RG, Tart at DT), or even high end (Smith at RG). 

I am not buying the drop off by Cappa. He was terrible technically which has nothing to do with injury. If it was injury that truly hurt his play 
he would of been RELYING on technique to get himself by. Cut Rankins, he was terrible even when he played and is paid way too much. Like I 
said, we can bring in about anybody to replace that and be an upgrade and most likely a big time upgrade if we get a good 3-tech in FA or just
bring back BJ Hill who is an upgrade.

Calais Campbell would be nice for a 1 year SB run. I heard Zeit's wife hated Cincy and that is why he wouldn't come back, but could be wrong.

Trey Smith, Will Fries, James Daniels or Tevin Jenkins would be great for a FA add.

(02-07-2025, 03:17 PM)jj22 Wrote: Joe ain't appreciate shading his defense. As bad as they was.

I thought it was funny, but Joe loves his teammates and doesn't like anybody poking fun at them, I get it.

He seemed down right pissed getting the Comeback Player of the Year award this time around. He wants that SB MVP, screw this CBPOY award.

Too bad for Ja'Marr not having a chance at the OPOY with Saquan's fantastic year making impossible. Still a great year for him and he got a bit 
of recognition for the Air and Ground player of the year besides Josh. Josh shouldn't of won MVP in my opinion over Lamar and I like Josh a lot 
more than Lamar, but I have to be honest.

Trey of course got the Deacon Jones award being the Sack leader, congrats Trey.

(02-06-2025, 02:11 PM)jason Wrote: Pissing off your meal ticket franchise QB is even more foolish. He's not putting this out there just to say it. He will go out like Carson Palmer if this is botched. The difference is Palmer made these statements behind closed doors, and we were all shocked when the demand came. Burrow knows this franchise mishandled everything during the previous two QB's second contract. He's not going to stand for it, nor should he.

Brilliant response. +1.

Unlike Carson Palmer, Joe Burrow has a Super Bowl appearance and two appearances in the AFC Championship to his credit; Mikey Boy knows it, too. Also, Tee Higgins and Ja’Marr chase are complementary receivers because when both players are on the field the Bengals have a much more potent passing offense. It is relatively easy for a secondary to roll coverage toward either Ja’Marr Chase or Tee Higgins if only one of them is on the field. Look at the games where one or the other was injured and on the sideline.

Joe Burrow is offering a restructuring of his contract and this is proof he wants to win, not just to get paid. The Front Office needs to understand the importance of keeping both Chase and Higgins in Cincinnati.

(02-08-2025, 08:59 AM)Fan_in_Kettering Wrote: Brilliant response.  +1.

Unlike Carson Palmer, Joe Burrow has a Super Bowl appearance and two appearances in the AFC Championship to his credit; Mikey Boy knows it, too.  Also, Tee Higgins and Ja’Marr chase are complementary receivers because when both players are on the field the Bengals have a much more potent passing offense.  It is relatively easy for a secondary to roll coverage toward either Ja’Marr Chase or Tee Higgins if only one of them is on the field. Look at the games where one or the other was injured and on the sideline.  

Joe Burrow is offering a restructuring of his contract and this is proof he wants to win, not just to get paid.  The Front Office needs to understand the importance of keeping both Chase and Higgins in Cincinnati.

1)Brilliant response?.. REgardless of the higgins situation..Burrow is going to give it 100%..This is not highschool  and Joey will act out if he does not get his way2) what is with you people and the word "restructuring"...that only kcks money issues down the road..Burrow is not redoing his contract and accepting less moneuy

(02-07-2025, 03:09 PM)Luvnit2 Wrote: He did miss 10 games, 5 each in 2023 and 2024. That is not 1/3 as was claimed. He missed 29%. Yes, still a huge number and a concern.

and he was pulled out of how many other games?