JoeyB willing to restructure

[RegularGuy22]

SB and 2 AFC Championship game appearances mean nothing, 0, zilch. They can't win the big one. It's like finishing 2nd, 3rd or 4th in the Indy 500 nobody remembers or cares.
The KC Refs will probably win their 3rd straight, the Steelers are 6 of 8 in the SB and the Pats are 6 of 11 in SB's. This is what winning looks like not the Bengals failures. 49ers and Cowboys have each won 5 rings. Tee Higgins won't be the difference maker.

[NUGDUKWE]

(02-07-2025, 02:38 PM)ERIC1 Wrote: tee higgins suffers from high chronic proximal tendionapthy..its not an injury nor was it caused by trauma..and he will be dealing with it the rest of his life........respectfully yours Health Care Guy

Perhaps I've missed it. But where do see that he's been diagnosed with chronic tendionapthy?

[reuben.ahmed]

(02-08-2025, 11:37 AM)RegularGuy22 Wrote: SB and 2 AFC Championship game appearances  mean nothing, 0, zilch. They can't win the big one. It's like finishing 2nd, 3rd or 4th in the Indy 500 nobody remembers or cares.
The KC Refs will probably win their 3rd straight, the Steelers are 6 of 8 in the SB and the Pats are 6 of 11 in SB's. This is what winning looks like not the Bengals failures. 49ers and Cowboys have each won 5 rings. Tee Higgins won't be the difference maker.

"He will for making me money" - Mike Brown

[*rfaulk34*]

(02-08-2025, 10:28 AM)ERIC1 Wrote: 1)Brilliant response?.. REgardless of the higgins situation..Burrow is going to give it 100%..This is not highschool  and Joey will act out if he does not get his way2) what is with you people and the word "restructuring"...that only kcks money issues down the road..Burrow is not redoing his contract and accepting less moneuy

[Luvnit2]

(02-06-2025, 02:14 PM)TheLeonardLeap Wrote: Yuuuup. It's not any form of sacrifice or compromise at all. It's not like he's taking a paycut or anything, so it's not news.

The Bengals were already going to be cheap when it comes to guaranteed money because of it having to go into escrow or being paid immediately. Restructuring is just more money that needs to be paid now on top of Chase's guaranteed money, Hendrickson's guaranteed money, Tee's guaranteed money, and now Burrow's restructured bonus.... and we haven't even begun to add anyone to actually improve the team yet. So I don't see the Bengals FO suddenly pulling $300m in liquid cash out of their asses and either spending it immediately or putting it into escrow.

How do you and others who claim who won't take a pay cut know definitively that is true?

Players who make far less than JB have taken pay cuts. I have no idea if JB will take a pay cut if he restructures his contract, no one does until it is done.

[ERIC1]

(02-08-2025, 12:08 PM)NUGDUKWE Wrote: Perhaps I've missed it. But where do see that he's been diagnosed with chronic tendionapthy?

aside from the organization elaborating  "hamstring"...look up the definition of chronic and tendionapthy..

[SunsetBengal]

(02-08-2025, 10:28 AM)ERIC1 Wrote: 1)Brilliant response?.. REgardless of the higgins situation..Burrow is going to give it 100%..This is not highschool  and Joey will act out if he does not get his way2) what is with you people and the word "restructuring"...that only kcks money issues down the road..Burrow is not redoing his contract and accepting less moneuy

Burrow will give 100% every time that he steps onto the field, until he decides that he no longer wants to be a Bengal. Then, the Bengals will get 0% from him, as like Carson Palmer, he'll force his way out. The model was made for an escape plan years ago, please try to pay attention there, little friend.

[*bfine32*]

(02-08-2025, 12:08 PM)NUGDUKWE Wrote: Perhaps I've missed it. But where do see that he's been diagnosed with chronic tendionapthy?

I saw it on Post 87.

I wonder how far this diagnosis will move Tee down the list of available FAs for 2025

[*TheLeonardLeap*]

(02-08-2025, 01:05 PM)Luvnit2 Wrote: How do you and others who claim who won't take a pay cut know definitively that is true?

Players who make far less than JB have taken pay cuts. I have no idea if JB will take a pay cut if he restructures his contract, no one does until it is done.

Who are these players? Were they actively being threatened by being cut or traded? 

I know he won't take a pay cut because he had a chance to take less not even 1.5 years ago and instead chose to be the highest paid player in NFL history. I don't blame him for it, I have always been a vocal supporter of players getting paid what they can while they can, but I don't want to then hear not even two year later that he's going to simultaneously buy a Batmobile and take a paycut right when his massive contract money is actually going to start coming in. It's a whole lot easier to not ask for as much initially than it is to get the money and then give it back.

This seems a whole lot like two offseasons ago when people were absolutely certain that blue collar Ohio boy Burrow was going to give a hometown discount and sign for pennies on the dollar so we could extend both Chase and Tee, and that they were going to follow suit because being together meant more to them than getting paid the most they could. Tried to warn people they were being absurd, that it's a business and these players often only get one real shot at a huge payday in the NFL and then they have fifty-sixty years post-NFL..... Then he got paid and NFL record $55m/yr and the second highest guarantee at signing in NFL history and Chase is wanting to be paid as the highest non-QB in NFL history. Welcome to reality.

[Luvnit2]

(02-08-2025, 03:22 PM)TheLeonardLeap Wrote: Who are these players? Were they actively being threatened by being cut or traded? 

I know he won't take a pay cut because he had a chance to take less not even 1.5 years ago and instead chose to be the highest paid player in NFL history. I don't blame him for it, I have always been a vocal supporter of players getting paid what they can while they can, but I don't want to then hear not even two year later that he's going to simultaneously buy a Batmobile and take a paycut right when his massive contract money is actually going to start coming in. It's a whole lot easier to not ask for as much initially than it is to get the money and then give it back.

This seems a whole lot like two offseasons ago when people were absolutely certain that blue collar Ohio boy Burrow was going to give a hometown discount and sign for pennies on the dollar so we could extend both Chase and Tee, and that they were going to follow suit because being together meant more to them than getting paid the most they could. Tried to warn people they were being absurd, that it's a business and these players often only get one real shot at a huge payday in the NFL and then they have fifty-sixty years post-NFL..... Then he got paid and NFL record $55m/yr and the second highest guarantee at signing in NFL history and Chase is wanting to be paid as the highest non-QB in NFL history. Welcome to reality.

I was never in the camp JB should give the team a discount. True, JB's motivation would be different from others. His motivation would be to help the team sign Tee and Chase to help him win and break records. He may not take less, but again we won't know HOW HE PLANS TO RESTRUCTURE UNTIL HE DOES IT.

Joe got a whopping over 111 million in cash in 2023 and 2024. Would you say based on his new earned money in last 2 years, maybe Joe is not as motivated by money since he is filthy rich now? Is it possible? We have seen Mahomes and Brady help their team manage the cap to have a shot at winning it all. Why not Joe?

The contract he signed was signed at a time when Bengals had no cap issues. He also has already been paid a boatload of cash for that deal in years 1 and 2.

https://www.spotrac.com/news/_/id/2013/breaking-down-joe-burrows-275m-extension

The Cash Flow

Burrow scores a $40M pay raise this year, north of $45.5M for the 2023 season, but he’ll secure a whopping $65.7M in 2024, bringing his 2-year total over $111M. 



https://www.businessinsider.com/tom-brady-contract-discounts-patriots-bargain-2018-7

Tom Brady sacrificed at least $60 million in his career helping the Patriots build Super Bowl-winning rosters



https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/patrick-mahomes-explains-why-hes-stealing-tom-bradys-contract-philosophy-when-doing-deals-with-the-chiefs/

Patrick Mahomes explains why he's stealing Tom Brady's contract philosophy when doing deals with the Chiefs

The two-time MVP is putting winning over money

[M.W.]

(02-06-2025, 04:26 PM)WeezyBengal Wrote: 221 million in cap SPACE. The total cap is projected to be around 300 million (excluding any rollover). 

They'd have around 90 million to cover other spots that currently don't have a starter listed here: 
2026 Cincinnati Bengals Cap Table

Cap is projected to rise by about 20 million each year. You lock these guys in now and it'll be an afterthought in 3 years. Thats why they should have just done it with Higgins, Chase, etc. as soon as possible, but they are idiots. Lock up your stars ASAP. 

This is the part that is so hard to understand about the Bengals front office.  The sooner you get the deals done. the less you spend.  It seems like there is a new highest paid WR, QB, DE, CB nearly every year.  This is instant inflation.  

It is great wanting to keep this offense together, but if the defense isn't addressed (more than extending Trey) we will likely miss the playoffs again this season.  

[Luvnit2]

(02-08-2025, 04:13 PM)M.W. Wrote:
This is the part that is so hard to understand about the Bengals front office.  The sooner you get the deals done. the less you spend.  It seems like there is a new highest paid WR, QB, DE, CB nearly every year.  This is instant inflation.  

It is great wanting to keep this offense together, but if the defense isn't addressed (more than extending Trey) we will likely miss the playoffs again this season.  

Your concern has some validity. But 2 sides to the sign them for a better deal now debate. Let's take Trey, we gave him a fair contract, but then with 2 years remaining, he wanted a raise. Now 1 year remaining and he wants a raise.

If a player outplays his contract, they may demand a raise so in the end what is gained by the team? Save dollars early and then pay later or not pay up and have a disgruntled star.

[wanga]

(02-08-2025, 04:25 PM)Luvnit2 Wrote: Your concern has some validity. But 2 sides to the sign them for a better deal now debate. Let's take Trey, we gave him a fair contract, but then with 2 years remaining, he wanted a raise. Now 1 year remaining and he wants a raise.

If a player outplays his contract, they may demand a raise so in the end what is gained by the team? Save dollars early and then pay later or not pay up and have a disgruntled star.

True. Players are always going to want more, even if Ja’Marr sign the biggest WR contract in history this year, after 3 more years of this level production and the rise in the salary cap he’s going to want more. 
Relatively short term careers where they put their bodies and future health on the line so they deserve to be well paid. But when is enough enough? Never mostly I suspect. 

[Tomkat]

(02-08-2025, 12:08 PM)NUGDUKWE Wrote: Perhaps I've missed it. But where do see that he's been diagnosed with chronic tendionapthy?

Where's the link?

Where's the OFFICIAL diagnosis of high chronic proximal tendionapthy?

[NUGDUKWE]

(02-10-2025, 06:08 PM)Tomkat Wrote: Where's the link?

Where's the OFFICIAL diagnosis of high chronic proximal tendionapthy?

It appears there is not a link and no diagnosis. I'd say it's safe to say he doesn't have that and has just had some hamstring injuries. Which these can seem to reoccur with people due to scar tissue from previous injuries.

[Tomkat]

(02-08-2025, 02:35 PM)ERIC1 Wrote: aside from the organization elaborating  "hamstring"...look up the definition of chronic and tendionapthy..

Link to an official diagnosis, or STFU.

[BengalYankee]

https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/other/stephen-a-smith-on-joe-burrow-i-think-he-should-ask-bengals-for-trade/ar-AA1ziU4C?ocid=msedgntp&pc=U531&cvid=52a953611bc7497c9ac69da0d398ea7d&ei=10

[Luvnit2]

(Yesterday, 04:30 PM)BengalYankee Wrote: https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/other/stephen-a-smith-on-joe-burrow-i-think-he-should-ask-bengals-for-trade/ar-AA1ziU4C?ocid=msedgntp&pc=U531&cvid=52a953611bc7497c9ac69da0d398ea7d&ei=10

Steven A. Smith is a shock sports journalist. He says things to start debate/arguments.

There is no reason for Burrow to ask for a trade. Bengals paid him extremely well (he deserved it) and seem to value his opinion. I have never seen Joe mention a trade either.

[BengalYankee]

(Yesterday, 06:09 PM)Luvnit2 Wrote: Steven A. Smith is a shock sports journalist. He says things to start debate/arguments.

There is no reason for Burrow to ask for a trade. Bengals paid him extremely well (he deserved it) and seem to value his opinion. I have never seen Joe mention a trade either.

https://nypost.com/2022/02/15/carson-palmer-concerned-for-joe-burrows-bengals-future/

[Luvnit2]

(Yesterday, 09:42 PM)BengalYankee Wrote: https://nypost.com/2022/02/15/carson-palmer-concerned-for-joe-burrows-bengals-future/

Who cares what Palmer thinks? Just because he lacks integrity and refused to honor a contract does not mean other should to make himself look better. How did the trade work out for CP? How many Super Bowls did he get to? Win?

CP is a loser.