(02-21-2025, 12:39 PM)WeezyBengal Wrote: and has never missed 3 consecutive games.

He literally missed 3 consecutive games just last year with Week 8, 9, and 10.
He also missed 3 consecutive games in 2023 with Week 10, 11, and 12.

Tee has played less than 2/3rds of the offensive snaps in 3 of the last 4 years. He has failed to be the #2 WR in snap count on the Bengals for 4 straight years and every snap he isn't on the field is a snap that someone like Irwin/Burton/C Jones IS on the field. Last year both Iosivas and Sample were on the field more than him.

(02-19-2025, 04:40 PM)Nate (formerly eliminate08) Wrote: Most definitely, when Tee DOES play, he is just reaching his prime as far as a player. He will miss a lot of games though as we have seen.

It is a tricky situation, I wish what I said earlier could be in the cards with somewhat of an incentive laden contract for Tee if we do extend him
where he would get paid much more for staying healthy. That way he would be worth the 26+ mil or whatever he will command.

Tee is about as good as it gets snatching the ball out of the air above DB's and Ja'Marr and him are the best duo in the NFL when both are 
healthy with Joe Burrow. Tee is also proven when he does play which is why I understand the ones wanting Tee back.

I also understand the other side wanting to upgrade the Defense the most and honestly this is where I lean, but I cannot doubt Tee as far as 
the player when he is on the field.

My thoughts as well. Becoming a major factor is that Joe wants him. 
Interesting times coming up re Tee. 

Joe wanting tee here is unfortunately more about joe wanting his friends here. Hate to break it you guys

(02-22-2025, 05:16 PM)Nate (formerly eliminate08) Wrote: No it is not. Tee misses some games every year, but he is also not as injured as you make him out to be either. There is a reason if he tested
the market that he is the consensus #1 FA this year. Tee is extremely talented and is still young. Like I said, if we Tag him and maybe even 
extend him I sure hope he talks to Housh about what he did to help him stay healthy after an early career with hammy issues that cleared up.

On regular season games in his career, Tee is able to start 72% of the time. If the team wants to give him a big paycheck, that's fine. I just hope that some of that contract is availability based.

(02-22-2025, 07:19 PM)wanga Wrote: My thoughts as well. Becoming a major factor is that Joe wants him. 
Interesting times coming up re Tee. 

Have to keep Joe happy and Tee is one heck of a weapon when he is on the field.

I have been going back and forth on keeping Tee for a while. Before last season I was against paying 2 WR's so much and Tee didn't look 
near as good to me in the 2023 season. Last year Tee made some great catches though and looked much better as far as a player, he is 
clearly in his prime and we don't have a WR on the roster that can replace him.

(02-22-2025, 07:29 PM)Frank Booth Wrote: Joe wanting tee here is unfortunately more about joe wanting his friends here. Hate to break it you guys

Well his friend is a damn good WR, hate to break that one to you Frank...

(02-22-2025, 07:54 PM)SunsetBengal Wrote: On regular season games in his career, Tee is able to start 72% of the time. If the team wants to give him a big paycheck, that's fine. I just hope that some of that contract is availability based.

Exactly, Tee's contract will have to be incentive based on how much he plays to be fair to both sides honestly.

(02-22-2025, 05:21 PM)Nate (formerly eliminate08) Wrote: Nice post Ell Prez. We all saw how Mahomes game fell off once he had WR's that couldn't catch the ball.

Doesn't matter how good of a QB you have if the Receivers have bad hands. Tee has reliable hands and is a big target for Burrow
and gives us another dimension that not many teams have. Like I said, I would be all for tagging and trading Tee, but we know what
we have in Tee as a player and we wouldn't know what we had in a Draft pick.


All for bringing back Gesicki and adding a TE especially if Tee leaves. But Ell Prez is right about our current WR's, we don't have an answer
for #2 if Tee is not here. We would have to use an early pick on a WR or a TE and I don't like being forced to pick a position early in any 
Draft, let alone one with a weak WR class like this one.

Yep... And drafting for need like that is part of the reason we're in this situation.

Let's say that they pay Tee Higgins ~$30 million per year while assuming that he's going to be available ~70% of the snaps like he has been so far.

That's about the same as paying a WR $42.857 million per year who you were assuming would be playing 100% of the snaps.  So if his availability remains as it has been, the prorated value of his contract would be beyond the top paid WR in the league.  

I'm a huge fan of Tee Higgins.  It's not lost on me how good this team can be when the core is healthy.  $30 million per year is too expensive.  The opportunity cost would be signing one of the very best guards and a 2nd tier defender.  Or signing one of the elite run stoppers and a second tier FA at IOL or elsewhere.  At that price, tagging him and trading him would make more sense.  It sucks, but the alternative is to try to win with some of the worst guards and no run defense.  Those shiny receivers can only do so much if the rest of your team is falling apart. 

(02-22-2025, 07:29 PM)Frank Booth Wrote: Joe wanting tee here is unfortunately more about joe wanting his friends here. Hate to break it you guys

You’re not even trying now Frank. 

(02-23-2025, 04:01 AM)Bilbo Saggins Wrote: while assuming that he's going to be available ~70% of the snaps like he has been so far.

Even that's a generous assumption.

Tee Higgins offensive snap% by year...
2020: 74.81%
2021: 64.60%
2022: 68.38%
2023: 52.67%
2024: 55.94%

There’s talk about the Packers getting Him.

(02-22-2025, 07:29 PM)Frank Booth Wrote: Joe wanting tee here is unfortunately more about joe wanting his friends here. Hate to break it you guys

1000%

(02-22-2025, 09:09 PM)Nate (formerly eliminate08) Wrote: Have to keep Joe happy and Tee is one heck of a weapon when he is on the field.

I have been going back and forth on keeping Tee for a while. Before last season I was against paying 2 WR's so much and Tee didn't look 
near as good to me in the 2023 season. Last year Tee made some great catches though and looked much better as far as a player, he is 
clearly in his prime and we don't have a WR on the roster that can replace him.


Well his friend is a damn good WR, hate to break that one to you Frank...


Exactly, Tee's contract will have to be incentive based on how much he plays to be fair to both sides honestly.

1) they are not going to give higgins an incentive contract specific to how many games he plays..although I wish that could happen
2) Joes friend is ..in fact a very good receiver..when he plays..and herein lies the problem

(02-23-2025, 10:58 AM)ERIC1 Wrote: 1) they are not going to give higgins an incentive contract specific to how many games he plays..although I wish that could happen
2) Joes friend is ..in fact a very good receiver..when he plays..and herein lies the problem

Teams do give players contracts with bonuses for games played. The key to Tee's deal will be the guaranteed portion and how they structure the contract whether it is us doing it or his next team. Fans get hung up on the the APR (average per year) and calculate ithe APR based on the maximum value of the deal. In my opinion, it is more important to use the cash due at signing. In Tee's case, I will be surprised if he get more than 60% of his contract guaranteed due to his injury history.

If he does get a maximum deal of 120 million for 4 years (30 million APY), at 60% guaranteed means Tee is only guaranteed 72 million (APR of 18 million p3r year). A common way teams strructure these contracts is in year 3 and 4 a huge roster bonus is used to be paid the first day of the league year. Since they giaranteed portion of the contract is mostly met during year 3 or by year 4, it allows the team to cut the players and not have dead cap if they don't perform or have injury issues.

I peronally call that at incentive based contract and will be shocked if Tee is not given this type of contract by us or any team.

even the media has changed their stance on the tee situation. I was surprissed. But its the same thing I and other anti-tee posters are saying. Paying big money to 2 receivers is irresponsible even if thats what joe burrow wants

(02-22-2025, 06:17 PM)Frank Booth Wrote: thats why I said 2 out of the 3. Gesicki and Hurst worked, Irv didnt. Yoshi is a 6th round or 7th round pick. Irwin is undrafted. Those 2 have nothing to do with what im talking about

read better

Which wr do you like to replace Tee, and who are you giving Tee’s money to instead?

(02-23-2025, 08:09 PM)Ell Prez Wrote: Which wr do you like to replace Tee, and who are you giving Tee’s money to instead?

Josh Palmer: spotrac projection 3yr/$12.8m
Tyler Boyd: 1yr/$3m
Trade for either Noah Fant (1yr/$9m) or Kyle Pitts (1yr/$10.9m) for a Day 3 pick.

None of them singularly replace Tee, but each do their part while also keeping scrubs off the field by there being 3 NFL-caliber players being added, so we don't see Charlie Jones or Cam Grandy caliber players taking offensive snaps. Burrow also would get the most talented TE he's had in his career thus far regardless of which one of the two we get.

That's ~$15-17m in cap space this year for the 3 of them, leaving you with $9-11m left from the Tee $26m tag number to put towards signing OG Trey Smith or DE Josh Sweat.

(02-23-2025, 09:39 PM)TheLeonardLeap Wrote: Josh Palmer: spotrac projection 3yr/$12.8m
Tyler Boyd: 1yr/$3m
Trade for either Noah Fant (1yr/$9m) or Kyle Pitts (1yr/$10.9m) for a Day 3 pick.

None of them singularly replace Tee, but each do their part while also keeping scrubs off the field by there being 3 NFL-caliber players being added, so we don't see Charlie Jones or Cam Grandy caliber players taking offensive snaps. Burrow also would get the most talented TE he's had in his career thus far regardless of which one of the two we get.

That's ~$15-17m in cap space this year for the 3 of them, leaving you with $9-11m left from the Tee $26m tag number to put towards signing OG Trey Smith or DE Josh Sweat.

We lack top end talent. We have plenty of average players. You want to get rid of a top talent and replace with Palmer or Boyd? And replace geisicki with Fant or possibly Pitts? I’d take the flyer on Pitts but Fant no thanks. Just resign Gesicki.

And you make all these moves to free up $11M, but lose tee?. How about we sign Tee, cut Hubbard and Cappa and use that savings to sign Trey Smith. We’re now no doubtful a better team than 2024.

(02-23-2025, 10:32 PM)Ell Prez Wrote: We lack top end talent. We have plenty of average players. You want to get rid of a top talent and replace with Palmer or Boyd? And replace geisicki with Fant or possibly Pitts? I’d take the flyer on Pitts but Fant no thanks. Just resign Gesicki.

And you make all these moves to free up $11M, but lose tee?. How about we sign Tee, cut  Hubbard and Cappa and use that savings to sign Trey Smith. We’re now no doubtful a better team than 2024.

No, he suggested 3 signings to complete the offensive weapon arsenal. Learn to read more clearly.

(02-23-2025, 10:32 PM)Ell Prez Wrote: We lack top end talent. We have plenty of average players. You want to get rid of a top talent and replace with Palmer or Boyd? And replace geisicki with Fant or possibly Pitts? I’d take the flyer on Pitts but Fant no thanks. Just resign Gesicki.

And you make all these moves to free up $11M, but lose tee?. How about we sign Tee, cut  Hubbard and Cappa and use that savings to sign Trey Smith. We’re now no doubtful a better team than 2024.

We lack top end talent at WR? LOL...We have THE top end talent at WR in Chase. 

What we lack at WR is NFL-caliber depth, and Tee doesn't solve that because he's not going to be on the field 45% of the time. Heck, on top of signing Palmer and Boyd I would still use a 2nd or 3rd on a WR as well so that Iosivas is our 4th or 5th WR and only comes onto the field when we're inside the 10 yard line. He's the only other player in our WR room that would likely make another NFL roster for anything more than ST, and most of the other guys wouldn't even do that.

Fant blocks, Gesicki doesn't. Pitts doesn't block, but he's a better pass catcher than Gesicki. Both would be clear upgrades at TE and are still young enough to be at least a 3-4 year solutions. Gesicki is also both going into his age 30 season and isn't nearly as good but just got the Burrow TE bump. People were certain that we needed to re-sign Uzomah, people were certain we needed to re-sign Hurst. Gesicki is just more of the same.

You can still cut Hubbard and Cappa and use that savings to sign Trey Smith without re-signing Tee, and then you can use that $11m towards ALSO signing Josh Sweat.


Smith + Sweat + Palmer + Pitts + Boyd >>> Higgins + Smith (and still having Yoshi as a starter and C Jones/Burton playing a lot as soon as Tee inevitably gets hurt and having Murphy as a starter).

(02-22-2025, 11:30 AM)Ell Prez Wrote: Last offseason Tobin said “get yoir own receiver” about training Higgins...

Tobin said that 2 offseasons ago when people were first suggesting Tee should be traded.  Last offseason Tobin was more diplomatic in his response indicating trading Tee could be possible