Guy has been good in 2021-2023 for about a couple sacks and around 20 total pressures each season.
He's about the same contributions as Myles Murphy, pressures and snaps wise.

If people don't think Murphy is anything worthwhile, they shouldn't think Sample is either.

To me, Sample is competing with Johnson for final DE spot, as I have to think Bengals are very, very likely drafting a DE early in the draft.

(03-14-2025, 09:43 AM)ochocincos Wrote: Guy has been good in 2021-2023 for about a couple sacks and around 20 total pressures each season.
He's about the same contributions as Myles Murphy, pressures and snaps wise.

If people don't think Murphy is anything worthwhile, they shouldn't think Sample is either.

To me, Sample is competing with Johnson for final DE spot, as I have to think Bengals are very, very likely drafting a DE early in the draft.

The difference I see, is that following Cam's time here he seemed to have improved each year whereas I haven't seen much improvement from Murphy at all. He looks the same on his last play as he did on his first.

(03-14-2025, 11:54 AM)Sled21 Wrote: The difference I see, is that following Cam's time here he seemed to have improved each year whereas I haven't seen much improvement from Murphy at all. He looks the same on his last play as he did on his first.

Just off the eye test, or....?

I ask because his first two years in the league were about the same, production wise.
2021 - 310 snaps for 1.5 sacks and 16 total pressures
2022 - 411 snaps for 2.0 sacks and 16 total pressures

It wasn't until his 3rd season he boosted his pressures (2023 - 375 snaps for 1.5 sacks and 22 total pressures).

Murphy hasn't played a 3rd season yet, so we can just compare their first two years:
Murphy 2023 - 304 snaps for 3.0 sacks and 15 total pressures
Murphy 2024 - 353 snaps for 0 sacks and 20 total pressures

So Murphy fewer snaps played, with 0.5 sack less but 3 total pressures more compared to Sample's first two years.

Also, if you actually are able to remember specific backup players in games from 2-3 years ago to 100% recall if they improved over time or not, I give props to you for having such a good memory.
I don't watch the games that closely or watch reruns to analyze the players that closely, especially those who had little impact on the team those years.

(03-14-2025, 12:26 PM)ochocincos Wrote: Just off the eye test, or....?

I ask because his first two years in the league were about the same, production wise.
2021 - 310 snaps for 1.5 sacks and 16 total pressures
2022 - 411 snaps for 2.0 sacks and 16 total pressures

It wasn't until his 3rd season he boosted his pressures (2023 - 375 snaps for 1.5 sacks and 22 total pressures).

Murphy hasn't played a 3rd season yet, so we can just compare their first two years:
Murphy 2023 - 304 snaps for 3.0 sacks and 15 total pressures
Murphy 2024 - 353 snaps for 0 sacks and 20 total pressures

So Murphy fewer snaps played, with 1.5 sack less but 3 total pressures more compared to Sample's first two years.

Also, if you actually are able to remember specific backup players in games from 2-3 years ago to 100% recall if they improved over time or not, I give props to you for having such a good memory.
I don't watch the games that closely or watch reruns to analyze the players that closely, especially those who had little impact on the team those years.

I do and I know Nate does too.

I still remember Brandon Thompson's coming out party in 2013 against the Browns, when we saw his lightning first step, first-hand (though that was easily the most-miserable game of that year, outside of the playoff game).

(03-14-2025, 12:26 PM)ochocincos Wrote: Just off the eye test, or....?

I ask because his first two years in the league were about the same, production wise.
2021 - 310 snaps for 1.5 sacks and 16 total pressures
2022 - 411 snaps for 2.0 sacks and 16 total pressures

It wasn't until his 3rd season he boosted his pressures (2023 - 375 snaps for 1.5 sacks and 22 total pressures).

Murphy hasn't played a 3rd season yet, so we can just compare their first two years:
Murphy 2023 - 304 snaps for 3.0 sacks and 15 total pressures
Murphy 2024 - 353 snaps for 0 sacks and 20 total pressures

So Murphy fewer snaps played, with 1.5 sack less but 3 total pressures more compared to Sample's first two years.

Also, if you actually are able to remember specific backup players in games from 2-3 years ago to 100% recall if they improved over time or not, I give props to you for having such a good memory.
I don't watch the games that closely or watch reruns to analyze the players that closely, especially those who had little impact on the team those years.

Thanks for the stats Ochocincos. The thing about Cam Sample is he is just solid and gives his all and he stops the run very well
and when asked is a good pass rusher too, solid is not a bad thing at all. He brings it with a good motor, maybe not to Cedric 
Johnson's level that I saw late last year, but he is a good pro.

These are good back of the depth chart signings and when they improve every year that is a great sign especially with Murphy
regressing a bit last year due to gaining too much muscle IMO.

Montgomery could get some good stuff out of Cam Sample, but Joseph Ossai is the End I see growing the most under him.

(03-14-2025, 09:41 PM)Truck_1_0_1_ Wrote: I do and I know Nate does too.

I still remember Brandon Thompson's coming out party in 2013 against the Browns, when we saw his lightning first step, first-hand (though that was easily the most-miserable game of that year, outside of the playoff game).

Yeah I remember Truck. I go back and watch the games too to see these types of players. Also remember Brandon Thompson's first step.

Cam Sample is an underrated player that is growing in his game. He is already solid technique wise, that is the start.

We cannot afford the top talent at every position you do need strong good role players. Cam Sample is someone who is a strong role player so is Ossai and BJ Hill. It takes a team who works together as a team that has great coaching to orchestrate the chemistry. Good signing in bringing him back but I am taken back by all the negativity about signing these players back. I had no problem with how they played in their role. It is not like these guys are Rod “Toast” Jones who the Bengals kept bringing back and who was the worst cornerback in the NFL. These guys can play.

While a Cam Sample doesn't move the excitement meter much at the end of the day your team lives and dies by your role players. Good signing of a needed depth piece.

(03-14-2025, 12:26 PM)ochocincos Wrote: Just off the eye test, or....?

I ask because his first two years in the league were about the same, production wise.
2021 - 310 snaps for 1.5 sacks and 16 total pressures
2022 - 411 snaps for 2.0 sacks and 16 total pressures

It wasn't until his 3rd season he boosted his pressures (2023 - 375 snaps for 1.5 sacks and 22 total pressures).

Murphy hasn't played a 3rd season yet, so we can just compare their first two years:
Murphy 2023 - 304 snaps for 3.0 sacks and 15 total pressures
Murphy 2024 - 353 snaps for 0 sacks and 20 total pressures

So Murphy fewer snaps played, with 0.5 sack less but 3 total pressures more compared to Sample's first two years.

Also, if you actually are able to remember specific backup players in games from 2-3 years ago to 100% recall if they improved over time or not, I give props to you for having such a good memory.
I don't watch the games that closely or watch reruns to analyze the players that closely, especially those who had little impact on the team those years.

It is just an eye test. It seemed to me Sample became more involved and made better plays as he went along, but I don't focus on him. And I don't look numbers up or subscribe to PFF or any of that stuff. And I never claimed 100% about anything, I just said it seems to me...

(03-14-2025, 12:26 PM)ochocincos Wrote: Just off the eye test, or....?

I ask because his first two years in the league were about the same, production wise.
2021 - 310 snaps for 1.5 sacks and 16 total pressures
2022 - 411 snaps for 2.0 sacks and 16 total pressures

It wasn't until his 3rd season he boosted his pressures (2023 - 375 snaps for 1.5 sacks and 22 total pressures).

Murphy hasn't played a 3rd season yet, so we can just compare their first two years:
Murphy 2023 - 304 snaps for 3.0 sacks and 15 total pressures
Murphy 2024 - 353 snaps for 0 sacks and 20 total pressures

So Murphy fewer snaps played, with 0.5 sack less but 3 total pressures more compared to Sample's first two years.

Also, if you actually are able to remember specific backup players in games from 2-3 years ago to 100% recall if they improved over time or not, I give props to you for having such a good memory.
I don't watch the games that closely or watch reruns to analyze the players that closely, especially those who had little impact on the team those years.

The big difference is, Sample was what, a 4th or 5th round pick. He is a role player and played pretty well. Murphy was a 1st round pick that should be a major contributor but plays more like a role player.

(03-15-2025, 02:36 PM)sandwedge Wrote: The big difference is, Sample was what, a 4th or 5th round pick. He is a role player and played pretty well. Murphy was a 1st round pick that should be a major contributor but plays more like a role player.

That's not the point though, as the comparison was the two players right now.
Murphy just turned 23 years old this past Jan, Sample is 25.

I'm just making the argument Sample probably is about who he is at this point whereas Murphy is still young and has only been in the league two years.
Most players take next step in their 3rd year if ever, especially if they came in at 20 or 21 years old.


I'm just not seeing how Sample is better than Murphy right now.

To me, Sample is competing with Johnson for the last DE spot, assuming they draft another DE.

(03-15-2025, 04:57 PM)ochocincos Wrote: That's not the point though, as the comparison was the two players right now.
Murphy just turned 23 years old this past Jan, Sample is 25.

I'm just making the argument Sample probably is about who he is at this point whereas Murphy is still young and has only been in the league two years.
Most players take next step in their 3rd year if ever, especially if they came in at 20 or 21 years old.


I'm just not seeing how Sample is better than Murphy right now.

To me, Sample is competing with Johnson for the last DE spot, assuming they draft another DE.

I agree with you. I was just saying our expectations for these 2 players shouldn't be the same, Sample and Murphy that is. Sample was good at his role before his injury. You are correct, the jury is still out on Murphy, however people believe a first rounder should have made some contribution by now in his career. Forever what reason, he took a huge step back last year IMO