(03-19-2025, 11:45 PM)Isaac Curtis: The Real #85 Wrote: OTC & Spotrac have the numbers in for Ossai  ($6.5 mil) and Sample ($1.2 mil). 

OTC is at $23.5 for top 51. But that is without Tee & Chase's deals added in (+$10 mil at least) or Moss being cut (+$3.5 mil). 

That would get us to $37 mil. 

On the downside, Trey will cost more (say $6 mil). 

And of course, in the regular, you have to pay 53 not 51, and the PS. That will cost $5 mil or so additional. Back to $27 or so. And the 1st rounder will earnore than whomever he displaces as long as it isn't Pratt or Stone. By around $2 mil. So $25 would be my guess. And Brown usually likes to keep a cushion, and we will pay All even on IR. 

So, my guestimate would be $24 minus the cushion. 

Of course, if Burrow reatructures (can Brown afgord all that cash flow this year?), that would push it back over $40.

So 24. They budget 5 million or so for draft picks. Say 2 for injury settlements. So 17ish. Say Trey gets 10 this year. That's 7. They need guard, safety, end maybe de at min.

should they try to resign Hilton And Bachie? Should they bring York to training camp and hve him compete w Money Mac Should they Cut Volson Moss and Burton? Trade Pratt for whatever they can get?

(03-20-2025, 10:39 PM)THE PISTONS Wrote: So 24. They budget 5 million or so for draft picks. Say 2 for injury settlements. So 17ish. Say Trey gets 10 this year. That's 7. They need guard, safety, end maybe de at min.

Did you roll over the 10M to next year? Feel like they do this often.

(03-20-2025, 10:39 PM)THE PISTONS Wrote: So 24. They budget 5 million or so for draft picks. Say 2 for injury settlements. So 17ish. Say Trey gets 10 this year. That's 7. They need guard, safety, end maybe de at min.

Again  the draft picks won't cost $5 mil when you are starting out with a top 51 calculation. The only pick that makes significantly more than the salary slot they are replacing is the #1. 

The 2nd makes roughly what a guy like Brightwell makes ($1.1 mil) and he will be cut. Once you get to day 3 picks, they make less. Outside of Rd1, it is a wash. And that is assuming no oicks replace a higher sakary guy (Stone, Pratt, McPherson, Volson, etc).

Trent Brown to Texans. 1 year, $3 mil. I'd have been down with that here for OT3.


https://www.yardbarker.com/nfl/articles/former_cincinnati_bengals_offensive_tackle_trent_brown_signing_with_houston_texans/s1_16652_41938542
=====================

II.  Current Player Roster: Signed for 2025 = 54

Italics denotes a player with a zero dead cap hit.

Offense = 26
QB (2): Burrow; Browning
RB (4): C. Brown; Perine, Moss, Milton
WR (6): Chase, Higgins, Iosivas; C. Jones, I. Williams, Burton
TE (5): D. Sample; Gesicki, Hudson, Grandy, McLachlan
OT (3): O. Brown, Mims; Cochran
G (4): Volson; Ford (G/T), Kirkland, Stueber
C (2): Karras (C/G); Lee (C/T/G)
----------------
Defense = 25
DE (6): Hendrickson, Ossai; Murphy, C. Johnson, C. Sample, I. Thomas
DT (4): BJ Hill, Slaton; Jenkins; Jackson
LB (5): L. Wilson, Pratt; Burks, Njongmeta, Heyward
CB (6): CTB, D. Hill; Turner, Newton, Ivey, M. Wilson
S (4): Battle, Stone; Anderson, Anthony
---------------
Special Teams = 3
PK: McPherson
P: Rehkow
LS: Adomitis
=================

III.  Injured Reserve = 1 (55)
1. Erick All, TE, (knee). Likely season-ending 2nd surgeey.
-----------------------

IV. Signed to Future's Contracts = 13 (68)

These guys do technically take up roster spaces and cap space at the moment. But effectively  they do not, as none of them have any Dead Cap hit if released. These are camp bodies, practice squad types with perhaps a dark horse candidate to make the 53 or two.

But it does give one a better idea if how much space we'd have with a full toster instead of only 44.


#, Pos, Player, # Acc Yrs, Salary, Dead Cap
1. RB Gary Brightwell, 3, $1,100,000, Zero
2. WR Kendric Pryor, 1, $1,030,000, Zero
3. WR Cole Burgess, 0, $840,000, Zero
4. WR Mitchell Tinsley, 1, $960,000, Zero
5. OT Andrew Coker, 0, $840,000, Zero
6. OG Tayshawn Manning, 0, $8400,000,Zer0
7. DE Raymond Johnson III, 1, $960,000, Zero
8. LB Craig Young, 0, $840,000, Zero
9. CB Micah Abraham, 0, $840,000, Zero
10. CB Nate Brooks, 0, $960,000, Zero
11. CB Jalen Davis, 4, $1,030,000, Zero
12. S PJ Jules, 0, $840,000, Zero
13. S Jaylen Key, 0, $840,000, Zero

https://www.bengals.com/news/bengals-sign-11-players-to-reserve-future-contracts-bengals-roster-update
--------------
V.  Non Future's deals, but signed PS Candidates (1), 69


#, Pos, Player, # Acc Yrs, Salary, Dead Cap
1. CB L. Robinson, 1, $842,333, $4,667
---------------

VI.  Bengals Free Agents: 53/IR/PS = 9

Pos, Player
1. CB3: Mike Hilton
-------------
2. S3: Vonn Bell
-------------
3. LB4: Joe Bachie
4. PK: Cade York 
------------
5. RB4: Trayveon Williams
6. RB5: Chris Evans
7. OG/OT: D'Ante Smith
-------------
8. OC/OG: Tre Hil (PS)
9. QB: Logan Woodside (PS)
------------

VII.  Bengals FA's, Re-signed/Extensions = 14
1. TE Cam Grandy, ERFA, 1 year, $980,000.
2. CB Jalen Davis, Future's/Reserve, $1,030,000
3. P Ryan Rehkow, ERFA, 2 yrs, $960,000 in 2025
4. LS Cal Adomitis, RFA, 1 year, $1,100,000
5. OG Jaxson Kirkland, ERFA, 1 yr  $960,000
6. TE Tanner Hudson, 1 year, ??? $$$
7. TE/WR Mike Gesicki, 3 years, $25.5 mil
8. OG/OT Cody Ford, 2 years, $6,000,000
9. DT BJ Hill, 3 years, $33 mil, $16 G.
10. DE Joseph Ossai, 1 year, $7 mil
11. CB Marco Williams, 1 year, $1.52 mil
12. DE Cam Sample, 1 year, $1.6 mil
13. WR Tee Higgins, 4 years, $115 million
14. WR Ja'Marr Chase, 4 years, $161 mil (extension)
-------------------

VIII. Outside FA's brought in (3)
1. RB Samajae Perine, 2 years, $3.8 mil.
2. NT/DT TJ Slaton, 2 years, $15.1 mil
3. LB Oren Burks, 2 years, $5 mil
----------------

IX.  Bengals FA's, Signed elsewhere = 5
1. DT: Dominique Davis (PS), Pitt Future's contract
2. LB: Akeem Davis-Gaither, AZ, 2 yrs, $11 mil
3. RB Khalil Herbert, Indy, ?? terms
4. DT Jay Tufele, Jets, $ terms
5. OT Trent Brown, Texans, 1 year, $3 mil
----------

X.  Bengals Cuts from last year's 53 = 3
#, Pos, Player, Cap Savings, Dead Cap
1. DT Sheldon Rankins, $9.618 mil, $2 mil (Texans, 1/$7)
2. G Alex Cappa, $8 mil, $2.25 mil (Raiders, 2/$11.2)
3. DE Sam Hubbard, $9.5 mil, $2 mil (retired)
=========================== 

Lucas Patrick for $2.1m

https://atozsports.com/nfl/cincinnati-bengals-news/bengals-sign-lucas-patrick-one-year-two-million-free-agency-saints-seahawks/

Bengals sign IOL Lucas Patrick (LG/C/RG) to a 1 year, $2.1 mil contract.


I love it as a versatile depth signing. I like it less if we are penciling him in as a starter or this is the end of our FA OL spending. An upgrade to Volson at LG atm for sure. Also better than Ford at G and can play C.


https://www.cincyjungle.com/2025/3/21/24390654/lucas-patrick-bengals-free-agents-saints
=====================

II.  Current Player Roster: Signed for 2025 = 55

Italics denotes a player with a zero dead cap hit.

Offense = 27
QB (2): Burrow; Browning
RB (4): C. Brown; Perine, Moss, Milton
WR (6): Chase, Higgins, Iosivas; C. Jones, I. Williams, Burton
TE (5): D. Sample; Gesicki, Hudson, Grandy, McLachlan
OT (3): O. Brown, Mims; Cochran
G (5): Patrick (G/C), Ford (G/T), Volson, Kirkland, Stueber
C (2): Karras (C/G); Lee (C/T/G)
----------------
Defense = 25
DE (6): Hendrickson, Ossai; Murphy, C. Johnson, C. Sample, I. Thomas
DT (4): BJ Hill, Slaton; Jenkins; Jackson
LB (5): L. Wilson, Pratt; Burks, Njongmeta, Heyward
CB (6): CTB, D. Hill; Turner, Newton, Ivey, M. Wilson
S (4): Battle, Stone; Anderson, Anthony
---------------
Special Teams = 3
PK: McPherson
P: Rehkow
LS: Adomitis
=================

III.  Injured Reserve = 1 (56)
1. Erick All, TE, (knee). Likely season-ending 2nd surgery.
-----------------------

IV. Signed to Future's Contracts = 13 (69)

These guys do technically take up roster spaces and cap space at the moment. But effectively  they do not, as none of them have any Dead Cap hit if released. These are camp bodies, practice squad types with perhaps a dark horse candidate to make the 53 or two.

But it does give one a better idea if how much space we'd have with a full toster instead of only 44.


#, Pos, Player, # Acc Yrs, Salary, Dead Cap
1. RB Gary Brightwell, 3, $1,100,000, Zero
2. WR Kendric Pryor, 1, $1,030,000, Zero
3. WR Cole Burgess, 0, $840,000, Zero
4. WR Mitchell Tinsley, 1, $960,000, Zero
5. OT Andrew Coker, 0, $840,000, Zero
6. OG Tayshawn Manning, 0, $8400,000,Zer0
7. DE Raymond Johnson III, 1, $960,000, Zero
8. LB Craig Young, 0, $840,000, Zero
9. CB Micah Abraham, 0, $840,000, Zero
10. CB Nate Brooks, 0, $960,000, Zero
11. CB Jalen Davis, 4, $1,030,000, Zero
12. S PJ Jules, 0, $840,000, Zero
13. S Jaylen Key, 0, $840,000, Zero

https://www.bengals.com/news/bengals-sign-11-players-to-reserve-future-contracts-bengals-roster-update
--------------
V.  Non Future's deals, but signed PS Candidates (1), (70)


#, Pos, Player, # Acc Yrs, Salary, Dead Cap
1. CB L. Robinson, 1, $842,333, $4,667
---------------

VI.  Bengals Free Agents: 53/IR/PS = 9

Pos, Player
1. CB3: Mike Hilton
-------------
2. S3: Vonn Bell
-------------
3. LB4: Joe Bachie
4. PK: Cade York 
------------
5. RB4: Trayveon Williams
6. RB5: Chris Evans
7. OG/OT: D'Ante Smith
-------------
8. OC/OG: Tre Hil (PS)
9. QB: Logan Woodside (PS)
------------

VII.  Bengals FA's, Re-signed/Extensions = 14
1. TE Cam Grandy, ERFA, 1 year, $980,000.
2. CB Jalen Davis, Future's/Reserve, $1,030,000
3. P Ryan Rehkow, ERFA, 2 yrs, $960,000 in 2025
4. LS Cal Adomitis, RFA, 1 year, $1,100,000
5. OG Jaxson Kirkland, ERFA, 1 yr  $960,000
6. TE Tanner Hudson, 1 year, ??? $$$
7. TE/WR Mike Gesicki, 3 years, $25.5 mil
8. OG/OT Cody Ford, 2 years, $6,000,000
9. DT BJ Hill, 3 years, $33 mil, $16 G.
10. DE Joseph Ossai, 1 year, $7 mil
11. CB Marco Williams, 1 year, $1.52 mil
12. DE Cam Sample, 1 year, $1.6 mil
13. WR Tee Higgins, 4 years, $115 million
14. WR Ja'Marr Chase, 4 years, $161 mil (extension)
-------------------

VIII. Outside FA's brought in (4)
1. RB Samajae Perine, 2 years, $3.8 mil.
2. NT/DT TJ Slaton, 2 years, $15.1 mil
3. LB Oren Burks, 2 years, $5 mil
4. OG/C Lucas Patrick, 1 year, $2.1 mil
----------------

IX.  Bengals FA's, Signed elsewhere = 5
1. DT: Dominique Davis (PS), Pitt Future's contract
2. LB: Akeem Davis-Gaither, AZ, 2 yrs, $11 mil
3. RB Khalil Herbert, Indy, ?? terms
4. DT Jay Tufele, Jets, $ terms
5. OT Trent Brown, Texans, 1 year, $3 mil
----------

X.  Bengals Cuts from last year's 53 = 3
#, Pos, Player, Cap Savings, Dead Cap
1. DT Sheldon Rankins, $9.618 mil, $2 mil (Texans, 1/$7)
2. G Alex Cappa, $8 mil, $2.25 mil (Raiders, 2/$11.2)
3. DE Sam Hubbard, $9.5 mil, $2 mil (retired)
=========================== 

Cap update:

OTC, Top 51 $23.9 mil. N/I Patrick deal. Tee at $24.1, Slaton at $5.4.

Spotrac, top 51: $20.5 mil. Tee at $26.6, Slaton at $7.9. N/I Patrick.

My calculations, based on a best available roster of:

O starters (11): Burrow; C.Brown; Chase, Higgins, Iosivas; D. Sample; OBJ, Volson, Karras, Patrick, Mims.

D starters (11): Hendrickson, BJ Hill, Slaton, Ossai; L. Wilson, Pratt; CTB, Turner, D. Hill; Battle, Stone.

ST starters (3): McPherson; Rehkow; Adomitis.
------------------
Primary O reserves (5): Browning; Perine; Gesicki, All (IR), Ford.

Primary D reserves (5): Murphy, Jenkins, Jackson, Burks, Newton. 

Fringe O reserves (10): Moss; C. Jones, I. Williams, Burton; Hudson, Grandy, McLachlan; Lee, Kirkland, Cochran.

Fringe D reserves (9): C. Sample, C. Johnson, I. Thomas; Njongmeta, Heyward; Ivey, M. Wilson; Anthony, Anderson.
--------------------

That's 54 guys with All on IR as the 54th. I get $20.8 mil in cap with that, using OTC's numbers. 

Take out $3-4$ mil for the PS and a net of $2 mil for the 1st rounder and we are at $15 mil or thereabouts. No Trey getting paid, no other FA's, no cushion. $15 mil.

Now, that vould certainly go up some. We won't oay Moss $4.8 mil to be RB3, right? Cutting him save $3.3 mil, but then a cheap replacements eats a mil, so +$2.3 for $17.3. The rest of the picks will be a wash or a slight savings. 

I am working with $17.3 in my head. Pay Trey. And MAYBE one more value FA signing (G, or cheap vet on D). Unless we get a Burrow restructure (+$19 mil) or release some other guys depending on draft/FA signings (Volson, Pratt, Stone, Burton) that is the number.

(03-23-2025, 02:29 PM)Isaac Curtis: The Real #85 Wrote: Cap update:

OTC, Top 51 $23.9 mil. N/I Patrick deal. Tee at $24.1, Slaton at $5.4.

Spotrac, top 51: $20.5 mil. Tee at $26.6, Slaton at $7.9. N/I Patrick.

My calculations, based on a best available roster of:

O starters (11): Burrow; C.Brown; Chase, Higgins, Iosivas; D. Sample; OBJ, Volson, Karras, Patrick, Mims.

D starters (11): Hendrickson, BJ Hill, Slaton, Ossai; L. Wilson, Pratt; CTB, Turner, D. Hill; Battle, Stone.

ST starters (3): McPherson; Rehkow; Adomitis.
------------------
Primary O reserves (5): Browning; Perine; Gesicki, All (IR), Ford.

Primary D reserves (5): Murphy, Jenkins, Jackson, Burks, Newton. 

Fringe O reserves (10): Moss; C. Jones, I. Williams, Burton; Hudson, Grandy, McLachlan; Lee, Kirkland, Cochran.

Fringe D reserves (9): C. Sample, C. Johnson, I. Thomas; Njongmeta, Heyward; Ivey, M. Wilson; Anthony, Anderson.
--------------------

That's 54 guys with All on IR as the 54th. I get $20.8 mil in cap with that, using OTC's numbers. 

Take out $3-4$ mil for the PS and a net of $2 mil for the 1st rounder and we are at $15 mil or thereabouts. No Trey getting paid, no other FA's, no cushion. $15 mil.

Now, that vould certainly go up some. We won't oay Moss $4.8 mil to be RB3, right? Cutting him save $3.3 mil, but then a cheap replacements eats a mil, so +$2.3 for $17.3. The rest of the picks will be a wash or a slight savings. 

I am working with $17.3 in my head. Pay Trey. And MAYBE one more value FA signing (G, or cheap vet on D). Unless we get a Burrow restructure (+$19 mil) or release some other guys depending on draft/FA signings (Volson, Pratt, Stone, Burton) that is the number.

So with a 10M rollover more like 7.3M. Puts them at a Trey raise and hope some picks offset a vet you mentioned at the end for any other move.

(03-23-2025, 02:48 PM)phil413 Wrote: So with a 10M rollover more like 7.3M. Puts them at a Trey raise and hope some picks offset a vet you mentioned at the end for any other move.

Yep. 

I'd REALLY like to dump Volson. But as of this moment, he's a starter for me, with Ford as OT3/G4. 

Volson has close to zero dead cap. Cutting him saves $3.6 mil. RG Will Hernandez is valued at just over $4 mil per by spotrac. He's 29. Coming off an ACL tear early last year. But with decent tongood grades the last couple years. If we sign him to a multi-year deal, the cap hit should be right around $4 mil.

At that point, Hernandez & Patrick are your starters.  Volson at $3.8 mil is an expensive G3 with no positional versatility. Cutting Volson would pay for Hernandez, almost. Draft a guard to either start over Patrick (early) or compete with Kirkland/Lee/Stueber/Ford to be G3 (later). 

I am not down on Volson, necessarily. I just think there is a path where cutting him can pay for an OG signing/upgrade, pay Trey, AND perhaps have enough for a bargain FA signing on D. 

But unless it is a REAL bargain (Campbell, Simmons), then probably a draft pick has to allow us to cut Stone or Pratt to finance an impactful acquisition (Smith, Blackmon, Gillmore).

The Bengals have (re) signed FA LB Joe Giles-Harris, who was briefly on our PS last year before being signed away by Jacksonville. 1 year deal.


https://www.yardbarker.com/nfl/articles/cincinnati_bengals_sign_linebacker_joe_giles_harris_to_one_year_contract/s1_16652_42026314


Looks like a camp/PS guy or a guy to compete with Njongmeta & Heyward for LB4/LB5. Bad news for Joe Bachie fans, I'd think. Contract details not out yet, but I am assuming no dead cap here (or very little).
=====================

II.  Current Player Roster: Signed for 2025 = 56

Italics denotes a player with a zero dead cap hit.

Offense = 27
QB (2): Burrow; Browning
RB (4): C. Brown; Perine, Moss, Milton
WR (6): Chase, Higgins, Iosivas; C. Jones, I. Williams, Burton
TE (5): D. Sample; Gesicki, Hudson, Grandy, McLachlan
OT (3): O. Brown, Mims; Cochran
G (5): Patrick (G/C), Ford (G/T), Volson, Kirkland, Stueber
C (2): Karras (C/G); Lee (C/T/G)
----------------
Defense = 26
DE (6): Hendrickson, Ossai; Murphy, C. Johnson, C. Sample, I. Thomas
DT (4): BJ Hill, Slaton; Jenkins; Jackson
LB (6): L. Wilson, Pratt; Burks, Njongmeta, Heyward, Giles-Harris
CB (6): CTB, D. Hill; Turner, Newton, Ivey, M. Wilson
S (4): Battle, Stone; Anderson, Anthony
---------------
Special Teams = 3
PK: McPherson
P: Rehkow
LS: Adomitis
=================

III.  Injured Reserve = 1 (57)
1. Erick All, TE, (knee). Likely season-ending 2nd surgery.
-----------------------

IV. Signed to Future's Contracts = 13 (70)

These guys do technically take up roster spaces and cap space at the moment. But effectively  they do not, as none of them have any Dead Cap hit if released. These are camp bodies, practice squad types with perhaps a dark horse candidate to make the 53 or two.

But it does give one a better idea if how much space we'd have with a full toster instead of only 44.


#, Pos, Player, # Acc Yrs, Salary, Dead Cap
1. RB Gary Brightwell, 3, $1,100,000, Zero
2. WR Kendric Pryor, 1, $1,030,000, Zero
3. WR Cole Burgess, 0, $840,000, Zero
4. WR Mitchell Tinsley, 1, $960,000, Zero
5. OT Andrew Coker, 0, $840,000, Zero
6. OG Tayshawn Manning, 0, $8400,000,Zer0
7. DE Raymond Johnson III, 1, $960,000, Zero
8. LB Craig Young, 0, $840,000, Zero
9. CB Micah Abraham, 0, $840,000, Zero
10. CB Nate Brooks, 0, $960,000, Zero
11. CB Jalen Davis, 4, $1,030,000, Zero
12. S PJ Jules, 0, $840,000, Zero
13. S Jaylen Key, 0, $840,000, Zero

https://www.bengals.com/news/bengals-sign-11-players-to-reserve-future-contracts-bengals-roster-update
--------------
V.  Non Future's deals, but signed PS Candidates (1), (71)

#, Pos, Player, # Acc Yrs, Salary, Dead Cap
1. CB L. Robinson, 1, $842,333, $4,667
---------------

VI.  Bengals Free Agents: 53/IR/PS = 9

Pos, Player
1. CB3: Mike Hilton
-------------
2. S3: Vonn Bell
-------------
3. LB4: Joe Bachie
4. PK: Cade York 
------------
5. RB4: Trayveon Williams
6. RB5: Chris Evans
7. OG/OT: D'Ante Smith
-------------
8. OC/OG: Tre Hil (PS)
9. QB: Logan Woodside (PS)
------------

VII.  Bengals FA's, Re-signed/Extensions = 14
1. TE Cam Grandy, ERFA, 1 year, $980,000.
2. CB Jalen Davis, Future's/Reserve, $1,030,000
3. P Ryan Rehkow, ERFA, 2 yrs, $960,000 in 2025
4. LS Cal Adomitis, RFA, 1 year, $1,100,000
5. OG Jaxson Kirkland, ERFA, 1 yr  $960,000
6. TE Tanner Hudson, 1 year, ??? $$$
7. TE/WR Mike Gesicki, 3 years, $25.5 mil
8. OG/OT Cody Ford, 2 years, $6,000,000
9. DT BJ Hill, 3 years, $33 mil, $16 G.
10. DE Joseph Ossai, 1 year, $7 mil
11. CB Marco Williams, 1 year, $1.52 mil
12. DE Cam Sample, 1 year, $1.6 mil
13. WR Tee Higgins, 4 years, $115 million
14. WR Ja'Marr Chase, 4 years, $161 mil (extension)
-------------------

VIII. Outside FA's brought in (5)
1. RB Samajae Perine, 2 years, $3.8 mil.
2. NT/DT TJ Slaton, 2 years, $15.1 mil
3. LB Oren Burks, 2 years, $5 mil
4. OG/C Lucas Patrick, 1 year, $2.1 mil
5. LB Joe Giles-Harris, 1 year, ??? (on PS briefly in '24)
----------------

IX.  Bengals FA's, Signed elsewhere = 5
1. DT: Dominique Davis (PS), 1 year, $840,000 (future's)
2. LB: Akeem Davis-Gaither, AZ, 2 yrs, $10 mil, $3.805 cap
3. RB Khalil Herbert, Indy, 1 year, $1,197,500
4. DT Jay Tufele, Jets, 1 year, $1,030,000
5. OT Trent Brown, Texans, 1 year, $1,732,353
----------

X.  Bengals Cuts from last year's 53 = 3
#, Pos, Player, Cap Savings, Dead Cap
1. DT Sheldon Rankins, $9.618 mil, $2 mil (Texans, 1/$7)
2. G Alex Cappa, $8 mil, $2.25 mil (Raiders, 2/$11.2)
3. DE Sam Hubbard, $9.5 mil, $2 mil (retired)
=========================== 

QB Logan Woodside is back with the team on a 1 year contract

(04-16-2025, 11:11 AM)pally Wrote: QB Logan Woodside is back with the team on a 1 year contract

Funny, when news broke the other day about the visit with Montana State QB Mellott the other day, it occurred to me we did not have a QB3 signed anywhere. No Furure's/PS type guy at all. 

https://www.cincyjungle.com/2025/4/15/24409274/tommy-mellott-bengals-draft-visits-montana-state

And then, poof, Woodside is back. 

FWIW, we still only have 4 DTs, total, signed, total. No PS level guys now that the Steelers poached Davis. On only 4 on the 53 level. 

As pally noted, Woodside is back as PS QB/QB3. 


No contract details beyond 1 year. I fully put Woodside down with the PS level guys. That is 72 total. 18 spots open for camp.


http://www.yardbarker.com/nfl/articles/cincinnati_bengals_bring_back_familiar_face_with_nfl_draft_just_eight_days_away/s1_16652_42059627


Also, C/OG Trey Hill signed a 1 year deal with the Packers. 1 year,,$1.1 mil, nada guaranteed.
--------------

II.  Current Player Roster: Signed for 2025 = 56

Italics denotes a player with a zero dead cap hit.

Offense = 27
QB (2): Burrow; Browning
RB (4): C. Brown; Perine, Moss, Milton
WR (6): Chase, Higgins, Iosivas; C. Jones, I. Williams, Burton
TE (5): D. Sample; Gesicki, Hudson, Grandy, McLachlan
OT (3): O. Brown, Mims; Cochran
G (5): Patrick (G/C), Ford (G/T), Volson, Kirkland, Stueber
C (2): Karras (C/G); Lee (C/T/G)
----------------
Defense = 26
DE (6): Hendrickson, Ossai; Murphy, C. Johnson, C. Sample, I. Thomas
DT (4): BJ Hill, Slaton; Jenkins; Jackson
LB (6): L. Wilson, Pratt; Burks, Njongmeta, Heyward, Giles-Harris
CB (6): CTB, D. Hill; Turner, Newton, Ivey, M. Wilson
S (4): Battle, Stone; Anderson, Anthony
---------------
Special Teams = 3
PK: McPherson
P: Rehkow
LS: Adomitis
=================

III.  Injured Reserve = 1 (57)
1. Erick All, TE, (knee). Likely season-ending 2nd surgery.
-----------------------

IV. Signed to Future's Contracts = 13 (70)

These guys do technically take up roster spaces and cap space at the moment. But effectively  they do not, as none of them have any Dead Cap hit if released. These are camp bodies, practice squad types with perhaps a dark horse candidate to make the 53 or two.

But it does give one a better idea if how much space we'd have with a full toster instead of only 44.


#, Pos, Player, # Acc Yrs, Salary, Dead Cap
1. RB Gary Brightwell, 3, $1,100,000, Zero
2. WR Kendric Pryor, 1, $1,030,000, Zero
3. WR Cole Burgess, 0, $840,000, Zero
4. WR Mitchell Tinsley, 1, $960,000, Zero
5. OT Andrew Coker, 0, $840,000, Zero
6. OG Tayshawn Manning, 0, $8400,000,Zer0
7. DE Raymond Johnson III, 1, $960,000, Zero
8. LB Craig Young, 0, $840,000, Zero
9. CB Micah Abraham, 0, $840,000, Zero
10. CB Nate Brooks, 0, $960,000, Zero
11. CB Jalen Davis, 4, $1,030,000, Zero
12. S PJ Jules, 0, $840,000, Zero
13. S Jaylen Key, 0, $840,000, Zero

https://www.bengals.com/news/bengals-sign-11-players-to-reserve-future-contracts-bengals-roster-update
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V.  Non Future's deals, but signed PS Candidates (2), (72)

#, Pos, Player, # Acc Yrs, Salary, Dead Cap
1. QB Logan Woodside, 4?, ?$$$$
2. CB L. Robinson, 1, $842,333, $4,667
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VI.  Bengals Free Agents: 53/IR/PS = 7

Pos, Player
1. CB3: Mike Hilton
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2. S3: Vonn Bell
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3. LB4: Joe Bachie
4. PK: Cade York 
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5. RB4: Trayveon Williams
6. RB5: Chris Evans
7. OG/OT: D'Ante Smith
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VII.  Bengals FA's, Re-signed/Extensions = 15
1. TE Cam Grandy, ERFA, 1 year, $980,000.
2. CB Jalen Davis, Future's/Reserve, $1,030,000
3. P Ryan Rehkow, ERFA, 2 yrs, $960,000 in 2025
4. LS Cal Adomitis, RFA, 1 year, $1,100,000
5. OG Jaxson Kirkland, ERFA, 1 yr  $960,000
6. TE Tanner Hudson, 1 year, ??? $$$
7. TE/WR Mike Gesicki, 3 years, $25.5 mil
8. OG/OT Cody Ford, 2 years, $6,000,000
9. DT BJ Hill, 3 years, $33 mil, $16 G.
10. DE Joseph Ossai, 1 year, $7 mil
11. CB Marco Williams, 1 year, $1.52 mil
12. DE Cam Sample, 1 year, $1.6 mil
13. WR Tee Higgins, 4 years, $115 million
14. WR Ja'Marr Chase, 4 years, $161 mil (extension)
15. QB Logan Woodside, 1 year, ?$$ (Likely PS QB)
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VIII. Outside FA's brought in (5)
1. RB Samaje Perine, 2 years, $3.8 mil.
2. NT/DT TJ Slaton, 2 years, $15.1 mil
3. LB Oren Burks, 2 years, $5 mil
4. OG/C Lucas Patrick, 1 year, $2.1 mil
5. LB Joe Giles-Harris, 1 year, ??? (on PS briefly in '24)
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IX.  Bengals FA's, Signed elsewhere = 6
1. DT: Dominique Davis (PS), 1 year, $840,000 (future's)
2. LB: Akeem Davis-Gaither, AZ, 2 yrs, $10 mil, $3.805 cap
3. RB Khalil Herbert, Indy, 1 year, $1,197,500
4. DT Jay Tufele, Jets, 1 year, $1,030,000
5. OT Trent Brown, Texans, 1 year, $1,732,353
6. C/G Trey Hill, Packers, 1 yr, $1,100,000
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X.  Bengals Cuts from last year's 53 = 3
#, Pos, Player, Cap Savings, Dead Cap
1. DT Sheldon Rankins, $9.618 mil, $2 mil (Texans, 1/$7)
2. G Alex Cappa, $8 mil, $2.25 mil (Raiders, 2/$11.2)
3. DE Sam Hubbard, $9.5 mil, $2 mil (retired)
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(04-16-2025, 12:21 PM)Isaac Curtis: The Real #85 Wrote:  

FWIW, we still only have 4 DTs, total, signed, total. No PS level guys now that the Steelers poached Davis. On only 4 on the 53 level. 

I would call it 4 "1/2" since Sample has taken snaps inside on passing downs before.  

(04-16-2025, 12:21 PM)Isaac Curtis: The Real #85 Wrote: FWIW, we still only have 4 DTs, total, signed, total. No PS level guys now that the Steelers poached Davis. On only 4 on the 53 level. 

I didn't realize they didn't have any on the PS now.
We may very well see one drafted before or by Rd 4, another drafted Rd 5 or 6 who goes to the PS.
And likely at least one UDFA who would compete for PS.

They have typically liked to carry 5 on the 53 and 1-2 on the PS.
I've personally always felt like 5 on the 53 was a bit overkill though.

(04-16-2025, 02:31 PM)ochocincos Wrote: I didn't realize they didn't have any on the PS now.
We may very well see one drafted before or by Rd 4, another drafted Rd 5 or 6 who goes to the PS.
And likely at least one UDFA who would compete for PS.

They have typically liked to carry 5 on the 53 and 1-2 on the PS.
I've personally always felt like 5 on the 53 was a bit overkill though.

You think 5 is overkill? We generally play 4 every game. If one guy gets hurt, you need a replacement on the roster. 

With 2 guys who are more NT types and 2 who are more DT/3T types and guy or two who can switch back & forth (Hill). Or maybe an end who can play some 3T for more cover (Sample). 

Plus, we had a ton of injuries there last year. I doubtcwe go light at DT. Butcthere are guys who can play some DT and some edge: Robinson, Burch, etc. We could snag one in the draft 

(04-16-2025, 02:54 PM)Isaac Curtis: The Real #85 Wrote: You think 5 is overkill? We generally play 4 every game. If one guy gets hurt, you need a replacement on the roster. 

With 2 guys who are more NT types and 2 who are more DT/3T types and guy or two who can switch back & forth (Hill). Or maybe an end who can play some 3T for more cover (Sample). 

Plus, we had a ton of injuries there last year. I doubtcwe go light at DT. Butcthere are guys who can play some DT and some edge: Robinson, Burch, etc. We could snag one in the draft 

Maybe I'm more old school, but I think of the late 2000's and early 2010's when Bengals ran out there with Atkins, Peko, Sims, and typically one other dude officially as DTs, but then they had a nickel DT like Rucker or Fanene that helped boost pass rush but play base DE as well. And those DTs like Peko are being subbed out for the nickel DT while the UT like Atkins is playing a heavy majority of snaps.

I still think that model can work, if they can get a DT who can play that much and do it well like Atkins did.

You mention Sample, which I always thought would fit well in a Rucker/Fanene role, but they haven't seemed to really try it (or maybe he's been so frequently injured I haven't noticed them trying when he was in there).

(04-16-2025, 06:19 PM)ochocincos Wrote: Maybe I'm more old school, but I think of the late 2000's and early 2010's when Bengals ran out there with Atkins, Peko, Sims, and typically one other dude officially as DTs, but then they had a nickel DT like Rucker or Fanene that helped boost pass rush. And those DTs like Peko are being subbed out for the nickel DT while the UT like Atkins is playing a heavy majority of snaps.

I still think that model can work, if they can get a DT who can play that much and do it well like Atkins did.

In those days, we were playing a 43 defense and carrying like 6-7 LBs on the roster. Plus 2 FBs. 

Now? I'd be shocked if we carry only 4 DTs. Frankly, I think 6 is more likely. However, like you, I am kinda old school. I do long for a FB and some OLB types. If so, we have to cut somewhere. 

Personally, I'd go with fewer TEs (4 not 5) and fewer WRs 5 not 6). But that is just me. Having some 2 way TEs would free up a roster spot. Now we need a blocking TE + his backup (Sample + Grandy) and a receiving TE + his backup (Gesicki + Hudson). All waa our all around. IDK what the point of McLachlan is. 

(04-16-2025, 06:33 PM)Isaac Curtis: The Real #85 Wrote: In those days, we were playing a 43 defense and carrying like 6-7 LBs on the roster. Plus 2 FBs. 

Now? I'd be shocked if we carry only 4 DTs. Frankly, I think 6 is more likely. However, like you, I am kinda old school. I do long for a FB and some OLB types. If so, we have to cut somewhere. 

Personally, I'd go with fewer TEs (4 not 5) and fewer WRs 5 not 6). But that is just me. Having some 2 way TEs would free up a roster spot. Now we need a blocking TE + his backup (Sample + Grandy) and a receiving TE + his backup (Gesicki + Hudson). All waa our all around. IDK what the point of McLachlan is. 

I also don't think they need to have 10 DL.
I'd personally prefer to go 9 DL, 6 LBs, 10 DBs.
Even if that meant running 3 LBs out there more.
Have the 6th LB be one who can rush the passer more if they really want to have that extra rusher.