(03-25-2025, 11:15 PM)XsandOs Wrote: This is what I'm thinking recently. If Campbell has shoulder issues (especially both shoulders), Emmanwori makes sense. BTW, it is disgusting that so many LBs are diagnosed with Labrum tears at the combine. The Cortisone shot culture in College Football is criminal. 

Nonetheless, unless a Will Johnson falls to us, it may be Emmanwori. I don't see another safety worthy of picking in round 1. But we can get a second round CB or S. 

However; after Campbell, I don't see another three down LB worthy of a first or even a second rounder. 

So the choice I do keep coming back to is Campbell.   

I've been on the Emmanwori bandwagon for about 3 weeks now, he makes sense for us. Highly intelligent, fast, quick, big and productive. I really believe this Defense has been missing a centerfielder out there. A game changing safety sounds very good to me.

(03-25-2025, 10:16 PM)Summerall-Madden Wrote: Hate to lose him but knew this was going to happen. Best of luck to Trey and his young family!

Huh? How are they going to lose him, he's under contract for 1 more year.

(03-26-2025, 12:43 AM)sandwedge Wrote: Huh? How are they going to lose him, he's under contract for 1 more year.

Right, and they can tag him the year after that as well. He’s not going anywhere for a while which is why it makes sense for him to take a deal and for the Bengals to offer him something that’s fair. Just put all this behind everyone involved.

(03-26-2025, 08:31 AM)chrisball96 Wrote: Right, and they can tag him the year after that as well. He’s not going anywhere for a while which is why it makes sense for him to take a deal and for the Bengals to offer him something that’s fair. Just put all this behind everyone involved.

The bengals did that 2 years ago, lol. They need to add a “no comeback clause”. Finish the deal and don’t say a word before expiration of contract. This is really 3 years in a row of Trey Hendrickson talk.

The first year I’m assuming the conversations were happening behind closed doors. He got extended.

Then last year… obviously

Now this year.

(03-26-2025, 09:26 AM)Bengalbug Wrote: The bengals did that 2 years ago, lol.  They need to add a “no comeback clause”.  Finish the deal and don’t say a word before expiration of contract.  This is really 3 years in a row of Trey Hendrickson talk.

The first year I’m assuming the conversations were happening behind closed doors.  He got extended.

Then last year… obviously

Now this year.

Trey's agent must be his wife's brother or something, because his incompetence is actually astonishing.

(03-26-2025, 09:26 AM)Bengalbug Wrote: The bengals did that 2 years ago, lol. They need to add a “no comeback clause”. Finish the deal and don’t say a word before expiration of contract. This is really 3 years in a row of Trey Hendrickson talk.

The first year I’m assuming the conversations were happening behind closed doors. He got extended.

Then last year… obviously

Now this year.

Right, I am not saying Trey and his agent (even more so) are blameless in all of this. But the price tags for DE are ultra high and he is the best player on this defense at an impact position, asking for a raise under those circumstances is at least somewhat understandable.

I get that people want him to play out his contract and that’s also understandable, but the reality is that a deal that keeps him here for a bit longer than using the tag is probably more advantageous for all parties.

I was googling around articles and posts from last off season. I know he requested a trade last off season, but I didn't know he threatened retirement last off season too!
https://www.reddit.com/r/bengals/comments/1ccbyuc/treys_agent_says_he_may_retire

It's no surprise that none of this agent's threats mean anything. He tried them all last off season and then Trey just played on his current contract anyway.

I think there's a decent chance we extend Trey this off season to a reasonable deal (If he signed a 2 year extension at 30 to 34M AAV, then he'd be on a 3 year ~84M dollar contract, which is still a good deal for the Bengals), but even if they don't, I'm 90% sure Trey will just play this season anyway.

(03-26-2025, 09:30 AM)CJD Wrote: Trey's agent must be his wife's brother or something, because his incompetence is actually astonishing.

It's been linked in the past, but here is his agent's page: very eyebrow-raising.

https://nsafootball.com/about/

(03-25-2025, 11:28 PM)Luvnit2 Wrote: Actually quite a few incuding Pats have cap space. 16 teams have over 28 million.

https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/cap/_/year/2025

And some of that goes to draft picks. How could a team with $28 million trade for Trey and give him $35 million a year?

Their $28 million is more like $20 million.

(03-26-2025, 09:42 AM)chrisball96 Wrote: Right, I am not saying Trey and his agent (even more so) are blameless in all of this. But the price tags for DE are ultra high and he is the best player on this defense at an impact position, asking for a raise under those circumstances is at least somewhat understandable.

I get that people want him to play out his contract and that’s also understandable, but the reality is that a deal that keeps him here for a bit longer than using the tag is probably more advantageous for all parties.

He's vastly outplaying his contract.

That said, when the Bengals signed him...there was some risk. He was coming off of 1 good season in NO in a contract year. It's pretty out there that he doesn't play the run well, especially then. I think he's improved.

(03-26-2025, 09:59 AM)Truck_1_0_1_ Wrote: It's been linked in the past, but here is his agent's page: very eyebrow-raising.

https://nsafootball.com/about/

Wow, that is quite telling ... explains a lot.

Apparently trade is now off the table; both sides working on a new deal.

(03-24-2025, 10:03 AM)Sled21 Wrote: This line of thinking that seemingly everyone spouts is complete hogwash. Yeah, you might sign them cheaper, but as soon as the next big deal is signed the players want to renegotiate their deals. Look at Trey Hendrickson. He was signed for what was a big contract. Then with 2 years left, he wants to re-negotiate because other DE's are making more. And now this year, with one year left, he wants to be traded. The league does not make players honor their contracts. SO you might sign a player like Chase or Higgins cheaper initially, but they are just going to want to renegotiate as soon as someone else is making more than them. 

I think it's a risk of front loading contacts too. Player gets large percentage of money in 1st few years, then later not as much...

(03-26-2025, 09:59 AM)Truck_1_0_1_ Wrote: It's been linked in the past, but here is his agent's page: very eyebrow-raising.

https://nsafootball.com/about/

The funniest part to me was at the bottom, it has three players' images and names. Those three players:
Trey Hendrickson
Marquez Valdez-Scantling
Derick Hall

I don't know who their other players are, but if those are their top 3 players in the entire agency, Trey should probably join a bigger agency.
Scrolling their twitter page, it seems like they represent mostly undrafted free agents and waiver guys.

Names that they have retweeted recently:
Isaiah Williams
Jalen Virgil
Shemar Jean-Charles
Josh Blackwell
Luis Perez
Willie Snead IV
Tre Herndon
Mike Barrett
Gunner Britton

These players deserve representation and an agent who works for them, but negotiating a contract to get a player signed to a league minimum or relatively small dollar contract at the bottom of a roster is fundamentally different than negotiating a contract for a star player.

Seeing this list of players, it does not surprise me that he thought a 1 year extension worth 21 million dollars was a good idea. That's probably the most a player he represented was ever offered for a single year.

(03-18-2025, 12:27 PM)THE PISTONS Wrote: Yep. Yet we keep hearing in other threads about the amazing Bengals team culture that Zac created.

The culture wasn't good last year. Contract issues. There was supposedly stuff going on with the defense. Guys wanting traded. Maybe Zac didn't create any of that. But, the great culture thing is largely a myth.

You, I and others ..including sports writers..know nothing about the tone of the lockeroom ( culture) as you put it..lol@ contract issues ..all teams have contract issues..The team played pretty darn good the last third of the season..I doubt there were many issues in the lockeroom

(03-25-2025, 05:24 PM)reuben.ahmed Wrote: On the guesstimate from our other poster of 78 in a 40, so yeah racing. I’ve gone faster on and off a track, doesn’t make it right lol

I do think even 90 in a 65 is a lot different than 78 in a 40.

good thing is Higgins hamstring is functioning ok ..he was able to shift gears

(03-26-2025, 12:10 AM)sandwedge Wrote: I've been on the Emmanwori bandwagon for about 3 weeks now, he makes sense for us. Highly intelligent, fast, quick, big and productive. I really believe this Defense has been missing a centerfielder out there. A game changing safety sounds very good to me.

I like him, too. I do think there is some question about his role. FS or SS? If he's a chess piece/versatile guy you want to move all over the place, and he kind of is, then you still need a dedicated SS (Battle) and FS (Stone) on the roster. 

Not saying that is a bad thing, just that I'm not sure he is a straight swap for Stone in the way someone like Watts would be. Though Emmanwori is likely there at #17 (or even later if we traded back a bit), while Watts at #49 is doubtful.

(03-26-2025, 10:19 AM)CJD Wrote: The funniest part to me was at the bottom, it has three players' images and names. Those three players:
Trey Hendrickson
Marquez Valdez-Scantling
Derick Hall

I don't know who their other players are, but if those are their top 3 players in the entire agency, Trey should probably join a bigger agency.
Scrolling their twitter page, it seems like they represent mostly undrafted free agents and waiver guys.

Names that they have retweeted recently:
Isaiah Williams
Jalen Virgil
Shemar Jean-Charles
Josh Blackwell
Luis Perez
Willie Snead IV
Tre Herndon
Mike Barrett
Gunner Britton

These players deserve representation and an agent who works for them, but negotiating a contract to get a player signed to a league minimum or relatively small dollar contract at the bottom of a roster is fundamentally different than negotiating a contract for a star player.

Seeing this list of players, it does not surprise me that he thought a 1 year extension worth 21 million dollars was a good idea. That's probably the most a player he represented was ever offered for a single year.

You got it.

But surely, the guy who, "invented guaranteed contracts," should know something like that.

Wonder if Isaiah Williams being on our team is due to the connection or if we simply liked him?

(03-25-2025, 10:06 PM)Luvnit2 Wrote: Big bucks for Diggs, but only 26 million guaranteed

3 for 69 million

Yep. I wonder if that signals OL at #4 instead of a playmaker (Hunter/WR/Warren). It would not necessarily preclude it, but I think getting Maye a WR1 (Diggs) and an OT1 (#4) would be a win. Plus DT Milton Williams & CB Carlton Davis on D + some others.

Pats should be better.

(03-26-2025, 09:26 AM)Bengalbug Wrote: The bengals did that 2 years ago, lol.  They need to add a “no comeback clause”.  Finish the deal and don’t say a word before expiration of contract.  This is really 3 years in a row of Trey Hendrickson talk.

The first year I’m assuming the conversations were happening behind closed doors.  He got extended.

Then last year… obviously

Now this year.

Given that list of clients, Trey is his chance for a big payday. Every year.

A lot