(Yesterday, 08:28 PM)Housh Wrote: I’d say 4 would be his high end


I think at his core he’s a nose or a run stopper

I don’t think he’ll ever be a 6-8 sack guy

But he is very athletic and strong so you never know

I kinda think that’s why we drafted him. Stopped the run day 1 and could grow into a pass rusher later

It is interesting, but I think Jenkins was drafted to help spell Hill.. I think McKinnley was drafted for the NT or stop the run guy. I think their plan to have no true vet run stopper after Reader left blew up in their face. Rankins if healthy may have been a lot better than the rookies.

I think McKinnley will backup Slater and Jenkins will back up Hill.

(Yesterday, 07:08 PM)Luvnit2 Wrote: When did Hubbard lose his job to Ossai? Based on these stats, once Ossai went from part time to full time his numbers increased a ton as he had 4 of his 5 the last 6 games.

https://www.foxsports.com/nfl/cincinnati-bengals-team-stats?category=defense&season=2024&seasonType=reg&sort=def_sck&sortOrder=desc

We also had no sacks in week 18 against Steelers. Ossai only had 1 sack in first 11 games so he definitely produced later in the year.

One more intersting fact. Ossai had 26 tackles playing part time and 20 assists, Trey playing fiulltime (3 down DE) had only 33 tackles and 16 assists. Overall Ossai must be better against the run than Trey.
In 14 games Hubbard had 2 sacks, 25 tackles and 16 assist. Hubbard used to be our best at holding the edge, yet Ossai was better in 2024.

Maybe the guy we are overlooking is Ossai to break out in 2025 based on last year. Naybe Murphy is where Ossai was in 2023 so longer way to go be a good DE.

Sadly, the injuries took its toll on Sam's body. 

(Today, 12:38 AM)Luvnit2 Wrote: It is interesting, but I think Jenkins was drafted to help spell Hill.. I think McKinnley was drafted for the NT or stop the run guy. I think theri plan to have no true vet run stopper after Reader left blew up in their face. Rankins if healthy may have been a lot better than the rookies.

I think McKinnley will backup Slater and Jenkins will back up Hill.

Agreed

(Yesterday, 05:23 PM)Nate (formerly eliminate08) Wrote: Cannot bank on Murphy turning around that is for sure. I think he will be much better this season, but how much better is the question?

With Kris Jenkins and McKinnley Jackson I actually have more confidence, especially Kris. But yeah, we need this draft to be mostly Defense.

We need pass rushers badly.

actually although not as glorious..we need more heft and run stoppers..quarterbacks are far more athletic and mobile than the good ole days..a QB sack aint such a big deal anymore

(Today, 12:38 AM)Luvnit2 Wrote: It is interesting, but I think Jenkins was drafted to help spell Hill.. I think McKinnley was drafted for the NT or stop the run guy. I think theri plan to have no true vet run stopper after Reader left blew up in their face. Rankins if healthy may have been a lot better than the rookies.

I think McKinnley will backup Slater and Jenkins will back up Hill.

You mean Slaton, but yes I think this too.
If they add another DT, it will be to replace Carter as the 5th DT.
I personally think that DT should be someone who can rush the passer, as they don't really have more than Hill who can rush the passer even decently well right now.

Maybe it's just Rapien's and Goodberry's opinions, but they are mentioning Walter Nolen's name A LOT.
They are also mentioning Kelvin Banks.
Guys they are most mentioning after these two are Emmanwori and Starks, but they seem to think much less likely. They even mentioned possibly Derrick Harmon if Nolen and Banks not there.
Sounds like they don't believe Bengals are leaning DE, at least at 17. Maybe if they trade back though.

(04-21-2025, 07:24 PM)Luvnit2 Wrote: I thought Newton showed he can be a good NFL CB.

To me, the good news is Newton was forced under fire as a rookie to show if he belongs. It is almost automatic, teams see a rookie late round CB on the field, that WR becomes option #1. Newton had some bad plays and some good plays.

I like our CB room even without Hilton. I think they can develop into a long term strength if we can keep them healthy. Turner was picked 60th in 2023, so very young. Hill was picked 31st in 2022, so very young. Britt was picked 60 in 2022, so very young. Newton drafted 149th pick in 2024. A young and atheletic group may be our breakout position group in 2025. Wilson and Ivey young. I thought Wilson showed a lot of speed last year.

It sucked losing or 2 starting CB's in 2025, but by end of the year the CB's had improved and gained valuable experience, hope it pays off in 2025 and beyond.

I thought Newton played better than expected considering he was a 5th round pick and tossed into the fray as a 5th round rookie corner in Lou's anti-rookie regime. I have higher hopes for the kid then most I suppose.  

(9 hours ago)ochocincos Wrote: You mean Slaton, but yes I think this too.
If they add another DT, it will be to replace Carter as the 5th DT.
I personally think that DT should be someone who can rush the passer, as they don't really have more than Hill who can rush the passer even decently well right now.

Maybe it's just Rapien's and Goodberry's opinions, but they are mentioning Walter Nolen's name A LOT.
They are also mentioning Kelvin Banks.
Guys they are most mentioning after these two are Emmanwori and Starks, but they seem to think much less likely. They even mentioned possibly Derrick Harmon if Nolen and Banks not there.
Sounds like they don't believe Bengals are leaning DE, at least at 17. Maybe if they trade back though.

They are just giving their opinion.  The Bengals haven't met with Banks or Harmon.  Rapien was trying to push Tyler Booker as one of the most likely picks, and the club hasn't met with him, either.  

(04-21-2025, 11:40 PM)BengalsLUFC Wrote: In fairness to Tobin who 99% of the time needs to be put int he corner with some crayons I really don’t think we are a million miles away because he’s won the lottery with Burrow.

We need another rusher whether inside or off the edge, we need better communication at LB which Golden should sort. I really don’t like the reports of Newton as slot CB as I think he’s ***** useless but you can’t have everything I’d love to bring back Mike for 1 more year.

If we don’t make at least the AFCCG this year with this offence there needs to be a boycott until Duke is gone and to a point Katie is put in another role too. A lot of people on this board will have spent thousands following this team. It’s time to shit or get off the pot the clock is ticking.

Me three

(9 hours ago)ERIC1 Wrote: actually although not as glorious..we need more heft and run stoppers..quarterbacks are far more athletic and mobile than the good ole days..a QB sack aint such a big deal anymore

That's such a hot take that if it was put in water, the resulting steam could generate power for a small city.

(04-21-2025, 07:54 PM)FormerlyBengalRugby Wrote: Some people use dip as an appetite suppressant to help curb appetite when cutting weight, as nicotine is an appetite suppressant.

Not saying it is good or bad, just info.

But if it works for him...

A person of his age and workout routine doesn't have to worry about appetite.  He can eat anytime he wants as long as it supports his program.  To lean out (body fat) and increase weight like he is takes a ton of protein.  If he's hungry he needs to keep feeding the body.

(Yesterday, 05:35 PM)Luvnit2 Wrote: I am curious do you think Jenkins can be a 4 to 8 sack DT in 2025?

We still have Trey, he i not going anywhere so if he stays healthy likely a minimum 12 to 15 sack guy. We really got very little pressure or sacks from DT or LDE in 2024, so I am hopeful we do draft a DE (also because this may be Trey's last year here), but I am not sure DT is the top priority.

Uograde DE and hopefully Jenkins can improve upon his 3 sacks and 31 tackles. 

I definitely think Kris Jenkins could be a 4 to 8 sack DT, it is honestly not much to ask to get 4 sacks if you are a decent pass rusher.

Jenkins has longer arms for a DT so he has the ability to disengage from blockers easier than shorter armed DT's. Kris Jenkins always 
works hard in the Offseason and I think he must be disappointed with how his rookie season went, especially towards the end of the
season where he didn't get much better at rushing the passer while McKinnley did.

(9 hours ago)ERIC1 Wrote: actually although not as glorious..we need more heft and run stoppers..quarterbacks are far more athletic and mobile than the good ole days..a QB sack aint such a big deal anymore

Well, all these guys have shown the ability to stop the run whether in college or in the pros. The problem is they have shown next to nothing
in rushing the passer besides BJ Hill. It is true the QB's in the NFL are far more athletic now, but this just means your Ends and Linebackers 
need to play with discipline and not let the QB escape towards the edges if the DT's flush them out.

(4 hours ago)Daddy-O Wrote: A person of his age and workout routine doesn't have to worry about appetite.  He can eat anytime he wants as long as it supports his program.  To lean out (body fat) and increase weight like he is takes a ton of protein.  If he's hungry he needs to keep feeding the body.

You are correct about protein, but incorrect about appetite, especially if he is trying to get lean.

But not here to argue minutia, as I was pointing out what some use nicotine products for, not saying that was why Myles was dipping.

We all want Murphy coming in at the weight and body fat percentage that will make him the most effective on the football field, whatever weight and percentage that may be.

In my opinion, it would be nice to see Him drop down to 262, basically dropping to 10% BF, as his closing speed is lacking.

But that is my weekend analyst take as an outsider, not the coaching staff and trainers who see Myles Murphy much more often.

(04-21-2025, 06:33 PM)Synric Wrote: Mykel Williams and Shemar Stewart are on the Bengals board.

1. On traits vs production:
“You’ve got to have the physical traits to play in this league.
“There are plenty of examples of guys who have not had great collegiate production, but (have) stupendous NFL athletic traits who have come into our league and really shined.”

— Dan Hoard (@Dan_Hoard) April 21, 2025

That's kind of scary because there are also a lot of guys with great physical trails like Ced Ogbuehi without the great college production that have washed out.

I'd rather look at production.

(3 hours ago)THE PISTONS Wrote: That's kind of scary because there are also a lot of guys with great physical trails like Ced Ogbuehi without the great college production that have washed out.

I'd rather look at production.

Yeah, that kind of statement makes me wonder/worry that if Kyle Hamilton was available when he drafted Dax Hill, would he have still drafted Dax Hill over Hamilton? Hamilton ran a 4.59 afterall compared to Dax's 4.38, and smoked him in the 10-yard split, 3-cone, and 20yd shuttle. 

At a certain point, a guy just shows he can play football and play his position really well. You just need to accept the film and the production. There's the saying "Potential will get you fired" and all of that... except I guess he won't ever get fired because he's essentially family.

(4 hours ago)FormerlyBengalRugby Wrote: You are correct about protein, but incorrect about appetite, especially if he is trying to get lean.

But not here to argue minutia, as I was pointing out what some use nicotine products for, not saying that was why Myles was dipping.

We all want Murphy coming in at the weight and body fat percentage that will make him the most effective on the football field, whatever weight and percentage that may be.

In my opinion, it would be nice to see Him drop down to 262, basically dropping to 10% BF, as his closing speed is lacking.

But that is my weekend analyst take as an outsider, not the coaching staff and trainers who see Myles Murphy much more often.

Yeah it's a tough balance, the speed vs. weight ratio.  Murphy does seem like he is always "almost there" or his angle is bad so speed may get him over the top.  But then losing some weight may hamper him in the straight up beat your guy game.  Those Myles Garrett types are damn rare.

(04-21-2025, 06:33 PM)Synric Wrote: Mykel Williams and Shemar Stewart are on the Bengals board.

1. On traits vs production:
“You’ve got to have the physical traits to play in this league.
“There are plenty of examples of guys who have not had great collegiate production, but (have) stupendous NFL athletic traits who have come into our league and really shined.”

— Dan Hoard (@Dan_Hoard) April 21, 2025

Because the thing we need the most is another Myles Murphy or Ced Ogbughei. 

Christ. 

(3 hours ago)TheLeonardLeap Wrote: Yeah, that kind of statement makes me wonder/worry that if Kyle Hamilton was available when he drafted Dax Hill, would he have still drafted Dax Hill over Hamilton? Hamilton ran a 4.59 afterall compared to Dax's 4.38, and smoked him in the 10-yard split, 3-cone, and 20yd shuttle. 

At a certain point, a guy just shows he can play football and play his position really well. You just need to accept the film and the production. There's the saying "Potential will get you fired" and all of that... except I guess he won't ever get fired because he's essentially family.

It kind of shows why they draft so bad outside of top slots. It's philosophical.

Interestingly, many of our offensive lineman have poor raw athletic scores. So who knows?

Has anyone heard anything on Jermaine Burton?

Is no news good news?

(2 hours ago)NotBigzo Wrote: Has anyone heard anything on Jermaine Burton?

Is no news good news?

I think he is looking for a place to live that does require a good reference. 

Seriously, if team plans to cut him, they don't gain anything by doing it prior to the draft. He is one roster spot, so they could also see how he does in camp. If he does very well, maybe trade him versus cutting him.