(10 hours ago)Gdale_Bengal Wrote: Mims had more tape of his potential in college. It was a risky pick but there was tape on him dominating.

Stewart is an edge that shows him having some speed but never finishing, not often enough at least. You draft this guy at the back end of the first. Tobin just balked the first round selection in a draft they couldn’t afford to miss on these picks

The thing you are failing to see is that pick 15 to 45 or so are all the same type of player—flawed in some way.

(10 hours ago)TJ528 Wrote: If I remember correctly, in last years NFL Draft many said the Bengals over reached for Mims at RT.

He hadn't played so he didn't have the experience to play RT in the NFL.  

However, that kid came in and is now the starting RT for the Bengals.  

You could tell he was special as the season went on.  

Montgomery and Golden are new defensive coaches and they know what they like in a player.  

I'm going to trust them and hope this kid can develop as a rookie and put pressure on the QB.

At 17, I'm happy with the pick. Great measurables

Valid point.  Mims was considered one of those developmental athletic freaks based on upside.

(10 hours ago)NotBigzo Wrote: The only thing going for Mims right now is that he stepped in and wasn't the worse RT in football. 

Hot take, but he jury is still out on him and the Bengals should've kept Trent Brown just in case.

The jury is definitely still out on Mims.
He was a gamble because of his availability due to injury.

As fans all you can do is hope they overcome their shortcomings and do well.

I wish Stewart the best. He seemed pumped on tv and passionate about the game. You want a player driven to improve and help the team.

(Today, 07:25 AM)Bengalbug Wrote: Gresham was also not bad.  He had the 11th most yards by a tight end between 2010-2014.  He also stabilized that position for the bengals for a period of time.  2x pro bowler. Gresham, statistically, had a more productive year than Mike last year, maybe the best season by a bengals TE ever in 2011.

It's easy to forget since it's been a long time since we watched him play but he was a penalty factory.  I'm pretty sure he led the league in penalty yards multiple seasons.  He had some decent offensive numbers but it wasn't enough to cancel out the damage he did with penalties.

I think "meh" is correct here

(11 hours ago)Sled21 Wrote: If we can keep Hendrickson happy and on the field this year, matching Stewart at LDE with Trey could be quite interesting. Sack or not, we now will at least have pressure coming from the left side, which we have lacked in the last year or two. Add to that Jenkins hopefully getting a push up the middle and this might work out well. Since he is exceptionally young, I suspect the coaches think they can do a lot with him. 

(Yesterday, 11:13 PM)Isaac Curtis: The Real #85 Wrote: That is an F pick.

Literally the dumbest thing we could have realistically done.

and now we get to watch in envy for the next decade as Harmon wrecks our O line and Starks is Ed Reed 2.0

Why the F is this team so obsessed with RAS scores over actual production!?   They cannot "develop" trench talent which is why they always need to look at FA for help there.

So Atlanta wanted to address its pass rush: Jalon Walker and Pearce = absolutely done
sorry for the rant, but Im tired Boss.

(10 hours ago)basballguy Wrote: It's easy to forget since it's been a long time since we watched him play but he was a penalty factory.  I'm pretty sure he led the league in penalty yards multiple seasons.  He had some decent offensive numbers but it wasn't enough to cancel out the damage he did with penalties.

I think "meh" is correct here

Yeah Gresham had a couple of good years but ended up being just OK. Pitts is having a Gresham kind of career (maybe even a little worse) - size/speed/natural talent are awesome but the production just isnt there.

What makes the Gresham pick really hurt is that the Pats got arguably the best TE ever in the second round that same year. I believe Gronk had back or neck injury concerns that caused him to fall. I think he was the best all round TE ever - we know he was a really good receiver but dude could block.

(10 hours ago)Whatever Wrote: Valid point.  Mims was considered one of those developmental athletic freaks based on upside.

1000% agree

I am sure there are lots of grades out there and her is one from NFL.com. They gave us a B.

Round 1 (No. 17): Edge Shemar Stewart, Texas A&M



Analysis:

Stewart had 4.5 sacks in three seasons at Texas A&M, so it will be interesting to see if he can improve his rush moves and change-of-direction ability to track down quarterbacks more regularly in the NFL. His get-off and straight-line speed are excellent, though, and he's very strong against the run. This pick addressed the team’s biggest area of need, given the uncertainty about Trey Hendrickson's future with the Bengals.

Here is PFF who grade him average.

Pick Grade: Average


While Stewart’s pass-rush production (67.2 PFF pass-rush grade) leaves something to be desired, he is an incredibly high-potential athlete off the edge. His 88.2 PFF run-defense grade last season will get him on the field early and provide him with a solid floor as he further develops — potentially into Trey Hendrickson’s successor.

(Yesterday, 11:18 PM)dr tarzan Wrote: Cedric Ogbuehi 2.0
There is a reason he didn't have great production in college...because he doesn't  produce.
They like his unmeasureables....just like they like Cedric even though he gave up 8 sacks his senior year....and proceeded to pass protect in pros just as effectively as he did in college.

I liked John Ross pick better than this one.

Gonna be sick....

Thank god you are a Doctor.....  You realize Micah Parsons only had 6 sacks his whole college career.. granted 5 of them were his final year..

There is a huge difference between Mims and Stewart.

Mims was inexperienced but he had SOME tape. On that tape he showed good technique and awareness and he was dominant a lot of the time.

Stewart has more tape, and on that tape all you see is traits flashing but no real production. His technique is laughable.

A tradition unlike any other: Talking myself into liking the pick then wondering why he’s not on the field in September.

But, yeah I’ve talked myself into liking it.

(10 hours ago)kalibengal Wrote: and now we get to watch in envy for the next decade as Harmon wrecks our O line and Starks is Ed Reed 2.0

Why the F is this team so obsessed with RAS scores over actual production!?   They cannot "develop" trench talent which is why they always need to look at FA for help there.

So Atlanta wanted to address its pass rush: Jalon Walker and Pearce = absolutely done
sorry for the rant, but Im tired Boss.

So, the RAS scores for the 1st round picks in the Taylor era are...

Jonah Williams-5.48
Joe Burrow -6.39
Ja'Marr Chase -9.81
Dax Hill-9.03
Myles Murphy -9.52
Amarius Mims -9.59
Shemar Stewart-10.00

I think everyone can agree that Chase was a hit.  Mims, based on his rookie season, is trending that way.

Dax is a tough one to handicap because his development has been stunted by injury and position changes, but he did look good once they moved him to outside CB last year.

Murphy is the only real guy I can say is a high RAS disappointing that doesn't have mitigating factors.  

Teams value RAS because the average player on an NFL roster has a 7.16 RAS, with the average starter over 8.

Take Jonah, for example.  He was as technically sound and "productive" as you could get out of college.  He was mediocre in the pro's because he just didn't have the traits to match up with more athletic edge rushers.

(9 hours ago)StoneTheCrow Wrote: A tradition unlike any other: Talking myself into liking the pick then wondering why he’s not on the field in September.

But, yeah I’ve talked myself into liking it.

I am guilty of that, too.

I do however see why they took him. He’s just got a ton of things you can’t teach. Hoping for the best as I think they see their version of Myles Garrett with that size/talent and ability to line up anywhere.

Chris Simms loves him - “disruption is production”.

(9 hours ago)Joelist Wrote: There is a huge difference between Mims and Stewart.

Mims was inexperienced but he had SOME tape. On that tape he showed good technique and awareness and he was dominant a lot of the time.

Stewart has more tape, and on that tape all you see is traits flashing but no real production. His technique is laughable.

Laughable? Come one..

Shemar Stewart | 2024 Highlights

(9 hours ago)Whatever Wrote: So, the RAS scores for the 1st round picks in the Taylor era are...

Jonah Williams-5.48
Joe Burrow -6.39
Ja'Marr Chase -9.81
Dax Hill-9.03
Myles Murphy -9.52
Amarius Mims -9.59
Shemar Stewart-10.00

I think everyone can agree that Chase was a hit.  Mims, based on his rookie season, is trending that way.

Dax is a tough one to handicap because his development has been stunted by injury and position changes, but he did look good once they moved him to outside CB last year.

Murphy is the only real guy I can say is a high RAS disappointing that doesn't have mitigating factors.  

Teams value RAS because the average player on an NFL roster has a 7.16 RAS, with the average starter over 8.

Take Jonah, for example.  He was as technically sound and "productive" as you could get out of college.  He was mediocre in the pro's because he just didn't have the traits to match up with more athletic edge rushers.

QB with a 6.39 RAS in today’s NFL? Another wasted pick! : )

(9 hours ago)StoneTheCrow Wrote: A tradition unlike any other: Talking myself into liking the pick then wondering why he’s not on the field in September.

But, yeah I’ve talked myself into liking it.

The alternative is to throw a tantrum and whine like a little b*tch. He is a Bengal so I would hope any fan crying right now wants to be wrong versus using the pick to validate their low opinion of our FO.

It amazes me how quickly some fans throw in the towel, we have 6 picks left and maybe more FA. The time to whine is if we don't make the playoffs, but hey have at it, you have a lot of fans joining. you.

(10 hours ago)Whatever Wrote: Valid point.  Mims was considered one of those developmental athletic freaks based on upside.

No, just by people who were not well informed. Mims had injury flags, but excellent tape. With good technique. He was not raw. Just inexperienced due to missing time. 

Stewart has huge athletic gifts. He plays hard. But has poor technique (especially hands), and misses a huge amount of tackles (26.9%, I believe). He struggles with the football part to a much greater degree. 

But there are some bright spots. First in FBS in first to pressure time. 5th rated run defender amongst DEs via PFF. 39 pressures. 

And this oiece from Denher compates him to other recent 260+ lb DEs with RAS scores over 9.8. Some busts,,but some hits as well. Many with poor college production.

https://bengalswire.usatoday.com/story/sports/nfl/bengals/2025/04/24/bengals-pick-shemar-stewart-shocking-numbers-top-names-myles-garrett/83263714007/

I mean, I hate the pick. I'd have picked a safer guy (Zabel, Jackson, Starks, Campbell, Emmanwori). If I wanted to gamble, I'd have gambled on a guy with top 10 tape (Johnson). Eben Barron or Simmons would have been better in my book. 

But Stewart is here now. He has huge upside. He just turned 21. He only played in just over 100 true pass set snaps last year. They aligned him inside quite a bit (inside the tackle). He seems to be well liked at A&M and a team guy. He couid bust,,but if he booms.....lookout. 

(9 hours ago)Clark W Griswold Wrote: QB with a 6.39 RAS in today’s NFL?  Another wasted pick! : )

RAS is generally going to be lower with a pocket QB, to be fair.  

(10 hours ago)Whatever Wrote: Valid point.  Mims was considered one of those developmental athletic freaks based on upside.

The thing about Mims is there were several posters actively advocating for him before his selection. In particular,  Nate was advocating for Mims for weeks before the draft. The only mentions of Stewart I  can remember were posters hoping he was not selected. So the concern is natural. This is a gamble pick. If it works out the Bengals draft process will gain a lot of credibility.