(01-11-2016, 11:48 PM)rfaulk34 Wrote: Adam Jones flying in, to try and show how much of a man he is, and making contact with an official--causing another 15yd penalty--is in the running for, literally, the stupidest incident ever in an NFL game, given all the circumstances. 

Yup. The officials drew the line a bit far away, in my opinion, but Jones still managed to cross it.

(01-11-2016, 07:40 PM)StrictlyBiz Wrote: It was six.
And why were they allowed to be near the injured Brown? 

As far as being in the middle of them, watch the broadcast. The Steelers contingent (including Porter) were attending to Brown. As they were walking Brown away Porter is blocked by Burfict who gives Brown a prolonged pack on the back as he's being escorted causing Burfict to come between Brown and the trainer. As the trainer continues walking, Burfict pulls his arm back and appears to make contact with the trainer causing words to be exchanged between the two. All of this is blocking Porter from going forward. It is at this point where Porter speaks up and has words with Burfict as he is walking backwards toward the sideline. It is at this point that the 7th Bengal #95 Dingleberry runs in and bumps Porter in the back knocking him back into the circle of now 7 Bengals. It is at this point, Porter in the middle of 7 Bengals talking, that everyone is focusing on and the pictures that you see of the incident This is also when the refs notice the commotion and start to separate everyone. Finally the 8th Bengal, Jones flies in, makes contact with the official (the penalty) and throws a punch at Porter. 

Now, Im not sure if Porter was talking shit to the Bengal players before the incident (while surrounding downed Brown) but going by what was seen on the broadcast, the shit talking only started when Burfict patted Brown on the back and made contact with the trainers.

Here's the broadcast. You can see for yourself starting at the 2:42:00 mark..

Your facts are off.

Porter was lingering around the huddle of Bengals players after Brown had walked away.

(01-11-2016, 10:48 PM)Belsnickel Wrote: There is no ambiguity in the rule. As for the part up top, let me see if I can get you to understand me. I said I did not have enough evidence to conclude the refs were biased. That's a period there. I wasn't talking about that one call (even though I made my position abundantly clear on that as well), I was saying overall. I said there was no bias (not that there is a lack of evidence for me) in the call because there were multiple infractions going on, but it took Jones hitting a ref to draw the flag. A penalty so egregious it is mentioned in the rules as being necessary to report to the Commissioner.

Um......  I gave an example of a player touching a ref, yet he wasn't flagged, so how's there no ambiguity?  Did the ref mistake Doug Martin, who was dressed in full uniform, was a fan?

Texans player touching a ref at 18 seconds, and then his teammate slaps his hand away at 21 seconds, and at 1:07 a player bumps a ref and looks like he even shoves him a bit.

That was just picking the first result from a search for fights in the NFL, so I doubt it would be hard to find others.

Refs were and are biased in favor of the Steelers.

Any steelers fans talking about Bengals coaches being on the field...pull your head out of your ass. Bengals coaches were not near Steelers players, flapping their gums, trying to get a reaction.

Porter is lower than human trash. I'm glad he's a former player and current coach on your team.

(01-11-2016, 08:15 PM)Benton Wrote: That would just throw fuel on the fire if a few Bengals coaches start out onto the field, with players already standing around a downed player. If anyone from the opposing sideline comes onto the field, it's going to be taken as an act of aggression.

You have to let the refs handle the situation. And that's why they're deservedly catching flack. The refs were letting some things happen and penalizing other things.

Yes, the refs should have had better control. As well, if the NFL is serious about cleaning this bullshit up, they need to be watching every play of the last 2 BvS games and hand out fines and suspensions for whomever instigates outside the lines bullshit. This kind of stuff goes on because players who won't stop when the whistle blows are allowed to go unchecked. 

(01-11-2016, 11:56 PM)BFritz21 Wrote: Um......  I gave an example of a player touching a ref, yet he wasn't flagged, so how's there no ambiguity?  Did the ref mistake Doug Martin, who was dressed in full uniform, was a fan?

Texans player touching a ref at 18 seconds, and then his teammate slaps his hand away at 21 seconds, and at 1:07 a player bumps a ref and looks like he even shoves him a bit.

That was just picking the first result from a search for fights in the NFL, so I doubt it would be hard to find others.

Refs were and are biased in favor of the Steelers.

He said there's no ambiguity in the rule, not the enforcement of the rule. 

Of course you can find instance of missed calls for every rule (Burfict taking the ball to the lockerroom after the int), but that doesn't invalidate the times when it is called. 

You might drive past a cop doing 70 in a 55 on Monday, but that doesn't make him wrong for ticketing you on Wednesday. 

(01-11-2016, 11:53 PM)rfaulk34 Wrote: Your facts are off.

Porter was lingering around the huddle of Bengals players after Brown had walked away.

Well of course when you watch it in slow motion it makes him look like he's standing there...

(01-11-2016, 11:53 PM)rfaulk34 Wrote: Your facts are off.

Porter was lingering around the huddle of Bengals players after Brown had walked away.

Looks to me like Gilberry started the whole physical part of this, what a douchebag.  Seems the Bengals are chock full of dumbassed players.

(01-11-2016, 08:22 PM)GMDino Wrote: Eh, I disagree.

Knowing that Burfict was already fired up if I'm the coach I'm keeping him right next to me during the timeout.  No reason you couldn't have the entire defense around.  The Steelers were still going to run a play to get try and get closer before the FG so why not get the D together?

Not that Lewis *had* to though.  This is the fish complaining about the worm the fisherman used.  If Porter went out to stir up the two dumbest players the Bengals have he succeeded.  If he didn't go out to do that they still over-reacted.

The end point, no matter how it gets spun, is Burfict hit a defenseless receiver in the head and Jones bumped an official.  All the rest is so much mental masturbation.

Fact: Burfict drew a legit flag.
Fact: Porter shouldn't have been out there.
Fact: Jones drew another legitimate flag for his stupidity.
Fact: if Porter had not been out there/or had been flagged, Jones stupidity is null and void.

(01-11-2016, 08:23 PM)mroudfly Wrote: Just the fact that you are trying to defend Joey Porter so hard, the scum of the earth, shows your character. I'm not defending Pacman or Tez, they are idiots. But the fact that you are trying to defend Joey Porter is absolutely comical.

Fact

(01-12-2016, 12:05 AM)rfaulk34 Wrote: Fact: Burfict drew a legit flag.
Fact: Porter shouldn't have been out there.
Fact: Jones drew another legitimate flag for his stupidity.
Fact: if Porter had not been out there/or had been flagged, Jones stupidity is null and void.

I can agree on that....but what about Gilberry removing his helmet? Or running into Porter? Or Burfict for grabbing Porter? Missed those too.

(01-12-2016, 12:05 AM)rfaulk34 Wrote: Fact: Burfict drew a legit flag.

True

Quote:Fact: Porter shouldn't have been out there.

Not if he'd been given permission to be out there.  Considering how long he was out there, without an official telling him to leave, that's almost certainly the case.

Quote:Fact: Jones drew another legitimate flag for his stupidity.

True

Quote:Fact: if Porter had not been out there/or had been flagged, Jones stupidity is null and void.

Going back to his probably having permission to be out there this argument doesn't really hold a lot of water.

(01-12-2016, 12:04 AM)StrictlyBiz Wrote: Well of course when you watch it in slow motion it makes him look like he's standing there...

It looks like he's standing there, because he's standing there.

(01-12-2016, 12:07 AM)rfaulk34 Wrote: Fact

So I should judge the character of the Bengal fans defending Burfict?\

Got it. 

(01-11-2016, 08:44 PM)StrictlyBiz Wrote: Then you surely disagree with this, right? 

Please refer to my "pull your head out of your ass" post, earlier. None of those coaches are looking to jaw with a steelers player.

If you're going to make comparisons, compare like things. Not apples and the Red Sea.

(01-11-2016, 10:05 PM)Wyche Wrote: .....but just prior to Brad 's post....according to you.....Porter wasn't near a Bengals player until the chest bump.  Clearly , Porter is there and THEN comes Wallace.....who is most certainly not known for starting shit.  I guess Porter was around that group of guys wishing them luck on their Power Ball numbers......

Porter was running his mouth at Gilberry during the last game at PBS.

Because he's human garbage.

(01-12-2016, 12:12 AM)rfaulk34 Wrote: Please refer to my "pull your head out of your ass" post, earlier. None of those coaches are looking to jaw with a steelers player.

If you're going to make comparisons, compare like things. Not apples and the Red Sea.

No Steeler players are confronting those coaches either. Just saying. 

(01-12-2016, 12:03 AM)StrictlyBiz Wrote: He said there's no ambiguity in the rule, not the enforcement of the rule. 

Of course you can find instance of missed calls for every rule (Burfict taking the ball to the lockerroom after the int), but that doesn't invalidate the times when it is called. 

You might drive past a cop doing 70 in a 55 on Monday, but that doesn't make him wrong for ticketing you on Wednesday. 

That makes zero sense.

If there is no ambiguity in the rule, then that means there should be no ambiguity in the enforcement of it, otherwise it is ambiguous.

(01-11-2016, 10:28 PM)StrictlyBiz Wrote: It was a missed call but one that cost the Steelers.

They don't miss that call, Ben doesn't get hurt 4 plays later. Ben doesn't get hurt, the offense doesn't grind to a halt. The offense doesn't grind to a halt, the Bengals have less time to work with.

Average TOP per possession with Ben = 2:35
Average TOP per possession with Jones = 1:15

Refs don't miss that call, the Bengals have 3 to 4 less minutes of clock to mount a comeback. 

Unknowns aren't linear like that.

There is an infinite number of things that "could have" happened. That's why it's silly to hypothesize. Stick to the known.

(01-12-2016, 12:13 AM)rfaulk34 Wrote: Porter was running his mouth at Gilberry during the last game at PBS.

Because he's human garbage.

It's because he's in your crawl space.