(03-29-2025, 01:30 PM)Whatever Wrote: When you have a guy with Stewart's athletic profile and lack of production, it's troubling.
I mean, some will point to pressures, but why can't he finish? With his ability there's no good reason why he can't. That run stop rate points to a complete lack of effort. Kid doesn't have the "want to" to finish plays, either putting in that extra effort on the field or in practice so he CAN finish. He doesn't care enough about that. It doesn't mean enough to him.
He just feels like the type of guy that doesn't love the game and sees it as a means to an end. He cruises on his athletic ability, knows he'll be a first round pick because some teams will sell themselves on the idea that they can "fix" or "motivate" him, and he'll be out of the league in a few years having "earned" more than enough money to retire comfortably.
This is exactly the type of player you stay away from, ala Jackson Carman. Tons of talent, but not the want to be great, nor the love of the game.
On the one hand, there must be a reason he keeps falling to us in mocks. Like, the people who make the sites or who are picking do not believe in the mock boards that others have put up where he is supposedly 11th overall. It definitely is reminiscent of Myles Murphy.
It'd be nice it the Bengals could trade down in the first a bit, but if they can't they might take him. One upside I could see is that while one Myles Murphy may not be productive for you, two might be. Think about it. Teams game plan for the type of player they face. They might be able to deal with one super-athletic pass rusher who isn't very skilled but two? Basically you might be able to overload them with a very athletic defensive front. And when I looked at the Twitter video posted in this thread what I noticed is a lot of those plays were moving away from Shemar. So even though he didn't get there he was having an impact.
Or maybe that is just copium from me. I probably would try to avoid taking him. Find the first round player that excites you for what they add to their position group. As long as you aren't reaching, that is a recipe for success. Shemar feels like a choice where we think we are getting value but maybe aren't.
(03-28-2025, 10:37 AM)Truck_1_0_1_ Wrote: Production isn't end all, be all (just like athletic profile isn't either), but he had NO production, essentially.
IMO, that's alarming.
So I see he planted the LT on his ass a few times, good good.
Otherwise, he looks like Brandon Thompson to me (not in terms of position or physical look, obviously): beats his guy every time, but 49/50 times is not in the play.
I loved seeing Thompson's first step and him getting into the backfield all the time, but he was out of the play almost every time and the same in the clips of Stewart you showed: of those snaps, how many plays did he actually make or affect? 3 at best?
I'm not sold.
I'd much rather take Scourton (though not at 17. Not sure he drops to 49 either).
He collected 2 pressure and a run stop in that clip (stats) and affected 2 more run plays. That doesn't count almost getting to Nussmiers arm on that quick pass. Shemar Stewart is always in the backfield and it affects the plays/play calling. There's not alot of long developing plays against the Texas A&M defense. He needs to finish while he's in thr back field that is not in question but there isn't alot of Defensive Ends that can play both the run and pass every in this draft.
I have Shemar Stewart, Walter Nolen, Kenneth Grant, Mykel Williams, Nick Emmanwori all in the same bucket. High End athletes with raw inconsistent tape.
Lot's of flashes of talent against one of the premier OL's every year in ND. Had a great run stop for a loss on one of these plays, set the
Edge very well on another. Could of had multiple TFL if the RB just went his way instead of running away from him. Warming up to Shemar
Stewart rather quickly. I was way too harsh on the guy. He needs to keep his head up and and learn to finish.
Very teachable fundamentals Montgomery can help him with.
(03-30-2025, 03:53 PM)Nate (formerly eliminate08) Wrote: This is exactly the type of player you stay away from, ala Jackson Carman. Tons of talent, but not the want to be great, nor the love of the game.
Actually it's been stated in Stewarts case that he lives breathes and loves the game.
We are throwing around too many buckets and blankets creating unfair labels just due to one stat. We should be better than this.
(Yesterday, 01:44 PM)Nate (formerly eliminate08) Wrote: Lot's of flashes of talent against one of the premier OL's every year in ND. Had a great run stop for a loss on one of these plays, set the
Edge very well on another. Could of had multiple TFL if the RB just went his way instead of running away from him. Warming up to Shemar
Stewart rather quickly. I was way too harsh on the guy. He needs to keep his head and and learn to finish.
Very teachable fundamentals Montgomery can help him with.
Yeah I watched that twice. When he kept his head up he made plays (I count disrupting the play or flushing the QB), but several times he beat his man, but had his head down and then had to lift his head to find the play. They teach him to keep his head up all the time, and I htink that will make a bid difference in finishing.
(Yesterday, 01:44 PM)Nate (formerly eliminate08) Wrote: Lot's of flashes of talent against one of the premier OL's every year in ND. Had a great run stop for a loss on one of these plays, set the
Edge very well on another. Could of had multiple TFL if the RB just went his way instead of running away from him. Warming up to Shemar
Stewart rather quickly. I was way too harsh on the guy. He needs to keep his head and and learn to finish.
Very teachable fundamentals Montgomery can help him with.
Yeah, I was kind of "meh" on the pick last night, as well. Now that I've had a day to digest it, and thanks to Synric posting footage of Stewart versus Arkansas and Florida, I have a much better feeling about him being our top pick. He comes off the ball like he was shot from a cannon, and just causes chaos every play.
Volson is meh, but I like him, and he has far exceeded my expectations
(Yesterday, 03:17 PM)Stewy Wrote: Actually it's been stated in Stewarts case that he lives breathes and loves the game.
We are throwing around too many buckets and blankets creating unfair labels just due to one stat. We should be better than this.
True, my bad, like I said I was way too harsh on the guy and this was before we drafted him or I even watched the film.
Ashamed of that post.
(Yesterday, 03:20 PM)Stewy Wrote: Yeah I watched that twice. When he kept his head up he made plays (I count disrupting the play or flushing the QB), but several times he beat his man, but had his head down and then had to lift his head to find the play. They teach him to keep his head up all the time, and I htink that will make a bid difference in finishing.
Completely agree. I am seeing what our guys saw in him now. That isn't a hard thing to teach either. If he can keep his head up so he
can see the play happening he could be unblockable with how big, strong and fast he is with that first step. His hands look natural too
at shedding blocks. Starting to more than warm up to the pick the more film I watch of him.
(Yesterday, 03:37 PM)SunsetBengal Wrote: Yeah, I was kind of "meh" on the pick last night, as well. Now that I've had a day to digest it, and thanks to Synric posting footage of Stewart versus Arkansas and Florida, I have a much better feeling about him being our top pick. He comes off the ball like he was shot from a cannon, and just causes chaos every play.
Same Sunset. I was a knee jerk pretty much, I was trying to warm myself up to the pick, but I didn't watch the film before going all knee jerk lol
Like you say, crazy first step which we all know can be nasty in the NFL.
Aaron Donald's first step to go along with his strength are what made him so good.
Where is this Arkansas and Florida footage Synric posted BTW?
(Yesterday, 03:45 PM)Nate (formerly eliminate08) Wrote: Same Sunset. I was a knee jerk pretty much, I was trying to warm myself up to the pick, but I didn't watch the film before going all knee jerk lol
Like you say, crazy first step which we all know can be nasty in the NFL.
Aaron Donald's first step to go along with his strength are what made him so good.
Where is this Arkansas and Florida footage Synric posted BTW?
I posted the Arkansas one somewhere in JN. The Florida is a Baldy breakdown of a few different plays. I should try to find the all of them and post them somewhere together.
(02-01-2025, 09:34 AM)Synric Wrote: Shemar Stewart has a high floor as the SEC's best run defending Defensive End. Here he is flashing that elite potential at the Senior Bowl setting the play side edge against a split zone run. Anchors against 336 lb Jonah Savaiinaea keeps his outside arm free to attempt the tackle.
Really good rep by Shemar Stewart setting the edge vs a split zone concept. Plays with a strong base, keeps his outside arm free and strains through the OT trying to club him upfield (preventing a seam in the B-gap).
Here Stewart gets separation with punch then uses cross chop to beat the tackle inside. Lots of power in his hands.
We have a flash! Great pass rush rep here from TAMU EDGE Shemar Stewart. Accurate punches to swipe away the arms of the tackle and get the “sack.” #SeniorBowlpic.twitter.com/hUx57V6EMe
What makes him different is how he moves at that size.
Here he flashes power with his hands the dips his shoulder and flattens.
Texas A&M DE Shemar Stewart had a huge week at the #SeniorBowl
Before this week, I might’ve been concerned spending a 1st round pick on him with the lack of college production, but after this week, showcasing what he did on a big stage, I’d be fine spending a 1st as a GM. pic.twitter.com/DfuhlBGOyQ
Shemar Stewart is the prototype base 4-3 left defensive end. He will be a strong run defender that can use his easy power to collapse the pocket on the opposite of Trey Hendrickson. I specifically like Stewart for building a pass rush plan against a player like Lamar Jackson.
(Yesterday, 03:41 PM)Nate (formerly eliminate08) Wrote: True, my bad, like I said I was way too harsh on the guy and this was before we drafted him or I even watched the film.
Ashamed of that post.
No worries. It's the silly season for everyone right now. :)
I will never wish ill on a Bengal, but I'm sticking with my original assessment. A 5-star recruit who went to a Div 1 program and knows what he needs to improve but hasn't done the work. As has been said, it's not just his hands, it's also his field awareness. How many snaps can be given to a player who isn't ready? Please prove me wrong.
(Yesterday, 03:49 PM)Synric Wrote: I posted the Arkansas one somewhere in JN. The Florida is a Baldy breakdown of a few different plays. I should try to find the all of them and post them somewhere together.
Thanks Synric. Yeah, would be nice to find them all and post them in one thread. Should do this with all the Draft picks in their separate threads.
Stewart sure is fast and strong. When he plays with his head up and doesn't over pursue you can certainly see all his talent. Still, what stands out
to me is the way he sets the edge in the run game and opens up plays for others with his quick first step. Have to double the guy at times. Looks
to me like the SC LT did pretty good against him in this vid and he had better reps against the RT.
(Yesterday, 04:02 PM)puddycat Wrote: I will never wish ill on a Bengal, but I'm sticking with my original assessment. A 5-star recruit who went to a Div 1 program and knows what he needs to improve but hasn't done the work. As has been said, it's not just his hands, it's also his field awareness. How many snaps can be given to a player who isn't ready? Please prove me wrong.
You're easily wrong, and you obviously haven't watched the tape.
His main problem isn't situational awareness, which was obviously an assumption on your part, but keeping his head up on plays. He has a tendency to concentrate on the player in front of him but keep his head down, beat him (every time) and THEN look up and then find the ball. When he kept his head up from the beginning he still always beat his man and move be moving toward the play/ball. On the ND tape he was about 50/50 head down vs. up. When his head was up he was completely disruptive, blowing up plays and moving the QB out of the pocket. Even on some of the head down plays he was disruptive.
They teach him to keep his head up 100% and he'll be a nightmare.
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