https://www.cincinnati.com/story/sports/nfl/bengals/2025/05/12/shemar-stewart-contract-negotiation-cincinnati-bengals-update/83585623007/

Fun times between this and the Trey situation.

(05-11-2025, 11:51 AM)BFritz21 Wrote: If you'd listen to the national media, they make it sound like we're the only team in the NFL that haven't signed their first round pick, but the fact that so many first round picks haven't signed yet, especially Nolen right in front of him, make it a non-issue.

It makes me mad because I figured that all of this holdout shit taking this long was over with the rookie wage scale, but hopefully it gets done soon and he gets on the field soon.

Also, it's not like he's not working out on his own and the team really isn't doing too much right now that he can't catch up on quickly.

Team building very important. Chase sitting out did not help anything last year. Article l seen said most not signed but working out with the team

Myles Murphy had 4x the sacks that Shemar Stewart did over an identical 3 years in college.

(05-13-2025, 11:42 AM)c766 Wrote: Myles Murphy had 4x the sacks that Shemar Stewart did over an identical 3 years in college.

Yep.  They're the exact same guy.....same names even.

I still cant believe they drafted a guy #17 overall who had the 3 year college sack production of a 2 star, part time starting, nose tackle at UTEP.

And they thought so much of him, they low balled his contract despite being slotted and the money already worked out for them.

(Yesterday, 05:57 PM)c766 Wrote: I still cant believe they drafted a guy #17 overall who had the 3 year college sack production of a 2 star, part time starting, nose tackle at UTEP.

And they thought so much of him, they low balled his contract despite being slotted and the money already worked out for them.

The lack of sacks are concerning not going to lie and say they aren't, but Shemar Stewart may have been the most disruptive DL in college
for the Defense he played in. He had tons of pressures, caused sacks for others, shut down the run because he is great at sealing the edge. 

He needs to keep his head up and learn to finish. In an NFL Defense that has pure pass rush sets he should start getting the sacks. The A&M
DL lined up so tight to the OL trying to shut down the run it wasn't easy to get sacks especially when Shemar was always getting chipped and
doubled.

(05-12-2025, 06:10 PM)Nicomo Cosca Wrote: https://www.cincinnati.com/story/sports/nfl/bengals/2025/05/12/shemar-stewart-contract-negotiation-cincinnati-bengals-update/83585623007/

Fun times between this and the Trey situation.

Need a subscription for that. Do you have a summary or can pull a quote that gets to the gist of the article?

(Yesterday, 06:58 PM)Nepa Wrote: Need a subscription for that. Do you have a summary or can pull a quote that gets to the gist of the article?

"I don't like the Bengal's FO"

(Yesterday, 06:35 PM)Nate (formerly eliminate08) Wrote: The lack of sacks are concerning not going to lie and say they aren't, but Shemar Stewart may have been the most disruptive DL in college
for the Defense he played in. He had tons of pressures, caused sacks for others, shut down the run because he is great at sealing the edge. 

He needs to keep his head up and learn to finish. In an NFL Defense that has pure pass rush sets he should start getting the sacks. The A&M
DL lined up so tight to the OL trying to shut down the run it wasn't easy to get sacks especially when Shemar was always getting chipped and
doubled.

Nate...you're talking yourself into a blown up narrative that only has a little bit of fact to it. Don't bother with a few highlights. Watch game tape. He has zero moves and not much more ability to disengage from OTs. He has no bend and not very much change of direction and he has bad body control when he gets up to speed, and this is against college competition. He's going to need a huge huge jump to be even decent in the NFL. Sorry if i can't get excited about a top 20 pick that can "set the edge". Watched Sam Hubbard for a long time and this guy has a bit to go to get to his level. 

I don't think i even saw a single, basic spin move in any of these games and he wasn't remotely disruptive. And these are against good college offenses, steps below even the average NFL offenses he's going to see from now on. 

You've got this guy blown up into some kind of monster-in-waiting and he's simply not. 

(Yesterday, 06:58 PM)Nepa Wrote: Need a subscription for that. Do you have a summary or can pull a quote that gets to the gist of the article?

The crux of the issue is the Bengals’ offer to Stewart came in at a lower percentage of roster bonuses than last year’s No. 17 overall pick. If the Bengals came in at the same percentage, Stewart would have participated while the rest of the first-round picks finalized their deals.

There’s also the injury protection portion of this equation as well. A source told The Enquirer if the team offered a more protected participation agreement, Stewart would be willing to practice while negotiations of his deal ensued. And this is why it is unrealistic to expect Stewart to participate in any of the voluntary practices until the two sides come to an agreement on either the full contract or more protection in the participation agreement.

(Yesterday, 09:01 PM)rfaulk34 Wrote: Nate...you're talking yourself into a blown up narrative that only has a little bit of fact to it. Don't bother with a few highlights. Watch game tape. He has zero moves and not much more ability to disengage from OTs. He has no bend and not very much change of direction and he has bad body control when he gets up to speed, and this is against college competition. He's going to need a huge huge jump to be even decent in the NFL. Sorry if i can't get excited about a top 20 pick that can "set the edge". Watched Sam Hubbard for a long time and this guy has a bit to go to get to his level. 

I don't think i even saw a single, basic spin move in any of these games and he wasn't remotely disruptive. And these are against good college offenses, steps below even the average NFL offenses he's going to see from now on. 

You've got this guy blown up into some kind of monster-in-waiting and he's simply not. 

Eh, no you showed in this tape Shemar Stewart blowing up the run game, getting pressures and being very disruptive. Trey Hendrickson 
hardly ever uses a spin move either. I watched a lot of game tape, the only time he wasn't disruptive was when he went against the LSU
OT who went top five in the Draft. He played very good in that Texas, ND and Florida tape. He was chipped and doubled constantly.

The narrative that he has no bend or change of direction is just completely false. He needs body control though for sure and he needs to
keep his head up. You are just trying to hate on the guy from what I am seeing here. Sure the LSU Tackle handled him, but he was chipped
and doubled in that tape as well.

Shemar Stewart is extremely young and has all the tools to be taught to be a great pass rusher. All of his weaknesses are fixable, you can 
not teach his size, strength, speed and lightning quick first step. You can teach spin and swim moves and keeping your head up and body 
control. Thanks for the tape though Rfaulk, I like a lot of it.

Just saw another great play against LSU where Stewart shot the gap and got a huge TFL on the RB.

(Yesterday, 10:33 PM)Nate (formerly eliminate08) Wrote: Eh, no you showed in this tape Shemar Stewart blowing up the run game, getting pressures and being very disruptive. Trey Hendrickson 
hardly ever uses a spin move either. I watched a lot of game tape, the only time he wasn't disruptive was when he went against the LSU
OT who went top five in the Draft. He played very good in that Texas, ND and Florida tape. He was chipped and doubled constantly.

The narrative that he has no bend or change of direction is just completely false. He needs body control though for sure and he needs to
keep his head up. You are just trying to hate on the guy from what I am seeing here. Sure the LSU Tackle handled him, but he was chipped
and doubled in that tape as well.

Shemar Stewart is extremely young and has all the tools to be taught to be a great pass rusher. All of his weaknesses are fixable, you can 
not teach his size, strength, speed and lightning quick first step. You can teach spin and swim moves and keeping your head up and body 
control. Thanks for the tape though Rfaulk, I like a lot of it.

Well...i tried. 

Cordell Volson v2 incoming...

(Yesterday, 11:26 PM)rfaulk34 Wrote: Well...i tried. 

Cordell Volson v2 incoming...

Wow, comparing a 4th round OL to a 1st round End hoping for him to fail as well...

Sometimes I just don't get it.

Also, in the Notre Dame game, Stewart made tons of great plays and a lot of the big plays for the Irish were when #4 wasn't in the game.

Just proved once again how disruptive he can be if coached up properly.

(Yesterday, 11:33 PM)Nate (formerly eliminate08) Wrote: Wow, comparing a 4th round OL to a 1st round End hoping for him to fail as well...

Sometimes I just don't get it.

Also, in the Notre Dame game, Stewart made tons of great plays and a lot of the big plays for the Irish were when #4 wasn't in the game.

Just proved once again how disruptive he can be if coached up properly.

I just don't get people who jump to extreme conclusions. I point out something that's not there and make the claim he's not going to be this great player you're trying to make him out to be, so i'm a hater and i want him to fail. He's a Cincinnati Bengal. I want him to succeed and be great. That doesn't mean i need to make stuff up and see what's not there. 

I don't go looking for reasons to substantiate my claim. I go looking for reasons to disprove it. When i can't find them...well, the truth is the truth. 

Of course he made some plays. You're going to see that with anyone. If you think he's this uber-disruptor from the videos i provided, i don't know what to tell you. The only thing i can do is wait for you to come to the conclusion that you're wrong. It would benefit us both if i was wrong and i won't be upset if i am. 

So, here we are. 

(Yesterday, 09:01 PM)rfaulk34 Wrote: Nate...you're talking yourself into a blown up narrative that only has a little bit of fact to it. Don't bother with a few highlights. Watch game tape. He has zero moves and not much more ability to disengage from OTs. He has no bend and not very much change of direction and he has bad body control when he gets up to speed, and this is against college competition. He's going to need a huge huge jump to be even decent in the NFL. Sorry if i can't get excited about a top 20 pick that can "set the edge". Watched Sam Hubbard for a long time and this guy has a bit to go to get to his level. 

I don't think i even saw a single, basic spin move in any of these games and he wasn't remotely disruptive. And these are against good college offenses, steps below even the average NFL offenses he's going to see from now on. 

You've got this guy blown up into some kind of monster-in-waiting and he's simply not. 

If any of this was even remotely the case, then why was he projected to go in the first round, and how was he the leader in pressures? It wasn't just the Bengals that wanted him. 

(05-13-2025, 07:45 PM)Stewy Wrote: Yep.  They're the exact same guy.....same names even.

"Ummmm, why are their two #99s on the field for the Bengals right now?"

Im confused - the same clueless brass that drafted Myles Murphy 24 months ago, is now smart and they are shrewd and they see all of this talent in Shemar Stewart today, all because of magic? Cant have it both ways. Shemar did not produce sacks in College as a 5 star edge rusher over 3 seasons. They drafted to get sacks

(Yesterday, 06:35 PM)Nate (formerly eliminate08) Wrote: The lack of sacks are concerning not going to lie and say they aren't, but Shemar Stewart may have been the most disruptive DL in college
for the Defense he played in. He had tons of pressures, caused sacks for others, shut down the run because he is great at sealing the edge. 

He needs to keep his head up and learn to finish. In an NFL Defense that has pure pass rush sets he should start getting the sacks. The A&M
DL lined up so tight to the OL trying to shut down the run it wasn't easy to get sacks especially when Shemar was always getting chipped and
doubled.

There were two other NFL d linemen on that line, so he wasnt treated like a Bosa or Carter. Also, that defense was still terrible. 

(Today, 12:28 AM)rfaulk34 Wrote: I just don't get people who jump to extreme conclusions. I point out something that's not there and make the claim he's not going to be this great player you're trying to make him out to be, so i'm a hater and i want him to fail. He's a Cincinnati Bengal. I want him to succeed and be great. That doesn't mean i need to make stuff up and see what's not there. 

I don't go looking for reasons to substantiate my claim. I go looking for reasons to disprove it. When i can't find them...well, the truth is the truth. 

Of course he made some plays. You're going to see that with anyone. If you think he's this uber-disruptor from the videos i provided, i don't know what to tell you. The only thing i can do is wait for you to come to the conclusion that you're wrong. It would benefit us both if i was wrong and i won't be upset if i am. 

So, here we are. 

That guy is just blinded by homerism, it makes him delusional about all Bengals guys. The things he's saying about Stewart are exactly what was said about Murphy.