(05-20-2025, 03:31 PM)Synric Wrote: Your math is off. 
 
In 2023 - 6.8m Base Salary + 13m signing bonus + 3m roster bonus + 200k per game bonus = 23m
2024 - 14.8m Base Salary + 200k per game bonus = 15m
2025 - 15.8 Base Salary + 200k per game bonus = 16m

So it averages to 18m per year. 

Are the 2024 numbers off?  Did he get a $200k bonus for a certain number of games played, or a $200k game bonus for every game played?

(05-20-2025, 04:49 PM)BenZoo2 Wrote: Are the 2024 numbers off?  Did he get a $200k bonus for a certain number of games played, or a $200k game bonus for every game played?

200k is the total. It's 11,764 per game according to spotrac.

(05-20-2025, 04:31 PM)Essex Johnson Wrote: I never saw that a contract number reported, that seems cart before the horse thinking, if they are not going to meet the demand of the Bengals, no reason to even discuss contract.

Well I was thinking when they gave him permission to seek a trade teams were in contact with his agent and atleast got an idea of what he was looking for in a contract. Just saying that was the reports that were going around that teams were good with that just not that with the asking price for the Bengals combined with his age.

(05-20-2025, 05:48 PM)Synric Wrote: 200k is the total. It's 11,764 per game according to spotrac.

My bad, I did misread that, but even Spotrac says the APY is 21 million.

(05-20-2025, 04:20 PM)rfaulk34 Wrote: So..if the front office gets it right in the first place, there's no need for Trey's "look", ya?

Once again, Bengals FO ***** things up and causes the issue. 

Trey signed the contract. Have to own up to it. He was also offered another contract and turned it down.

We don't know the details. But I get it, the FO blows and it is a pretty easy assumption to say they screwed it up.

(05-20-2025, 05:48 PM)NUGDUKWE Wrote: Well I was thinking when they gave him permission to seek a trade teams were in contact with his agent and atleast got an idea of what he was looking for in a contract. Just saying that was the reports that were going around that teams were good with that just not that with the asking price for the Bengals combined with his age.

Because his agent is an idiot who told the Bengals they could get a 1st round pick for him. 

*allegedly....

I wonder what financial offers he worked out with teams and if it was as simple as trying to match it (or refusing to)? What teams were willing to pay him would seem to be most important to find out for the FO.

(05-16-2025, 03:42 PM)Isaac Curtis: The Real #85 Wrote: Yes. But it is pretty close. 

Trey had way better pass rush numbers and way less help. Probably Trey as pure pass rusher. Overall, Watt probably has a slight edge. Garrett a bigger one. 

Trey lead the league in sacks, pressures, quick pressures, and sack rate. Led in sacks created with 26 while no one else had more than 14 IIRC. 3rd in quick pressure rate.

https://charlieschalkboard.substack.com/p/what-trey-hendrickson-is-and-what

Now, Trey is not a great run defender. And he takes himself out of some plays getting too wide/upfield too much. 

I think Garrett is clearly better & more well rounded. But Watt is more questionable.

PFF: 
Player: Overall, Pass, Run
Garrett: 92.3, 92.8, 78.4
Hendrickson: 88.1, 90.4, 65.9
Watt: 92.2, 90.1, 90.4

7 of Trey's 17 sacks came against 3rd stringers & backups. If playing against normal competition all season, he probably ends with 11 sacks.

He is a very good player, certainly worth $28million, but he wants mid 30s. He just isn't a good enough all around player to warrant that, IMO.

(05-21-2025, 10:56 PM)PDub80 Wrote: 7 of Trey's 17 sacks came against 3rd stringers & backups. If playing against normal competition all season, he probably ends with 11 sacks.

He is a very good player, certainly worth $28million, but he wants mid 30s. He just isn't a good enough all around player to warrant that, IMO.

Now go do everyone else’s numbers against lesser competition. Hell, Garrett and Watt have been fattening up against the Bengals OL for years.

(05-20-2025, 04:49 PM)BenZoo2 Wrote: Are the 2024 numbers off?  Did he get a $200k bonus for a certain number of games played, or a $200k game bonus for every game played?

(05-20-2025, 05:48 PM)Synric Wrote: 200k is the total. It's 11,764 per game according to spotrac.

(05-21-2025, 10:56 PM)PDub80 Wrote: 7 of Trey's 17 sacks came against 3rd stringers & backups. If playing against normal competition all season, he probably ends with 11 sacks.

He is a very good player, certainly worth $28million, but he wants mid 30s. He just isn't a good enough all around player to warrant that, IMO.

(05-21-2025, 04:04 PM)Sled21 Wrote: Because his agent is an idiot who told the Bengals they could get a 1st round pick for him. 

Trey is in no man’s land. 

(Yesterday, 09:50 AM)Soonerpeace Wrote: Trey is in no man’s land. 

It's his own fault. How long is he going to let his agent F up his contracts before he fires him and hires someone competent?

Bengals should not expect a sudden huge dropoff to <8 sacks after back-to-back 17.5 sack seasons.
Hendrickson still has a few good years left.
Given Bengals already have him under contract this year, they should either A) give him a 2-year extension on top of that for ~$70 mill and guarantee ~$40 mill of it, or B) give him a 3-year extension for ~$100 mill with ~$50 mill guaranteed.
Option B should allow the Bengals to easily cut ties with Hendrickson in his Age 33 season if he falters in his Age 32 season.
But I would be very confident he can still produce very well the next 2 years, with his 3rd year being more "solid" if anything around 6-8 sacks. And Chase Young signed a $17 mill APY contract for around that level of production.

(Yesterday, 09:58 AM)Sled21 Wrote: It's his own fault. How long is he going to let his agent F up his contracts before he fires him and hires someone competent?

Probably but it’s hard to know the particulars. But he’s in a mess 

(05-21-2025, 10:56 PM)PDub80 Wrote: 7 of Trey's 17 sacks came against 3rd stringers & backups. If playing against normal competition all season, he probably ends with 11 sacks.

He is a very good player, certainly worth $28million, but he wants mid 30s. He just isn't a good enough all around player to warrant that, IMO.

This is atleast a fresh take this many pages into these posts.

I'd guess that most sack artists beat up on mismatches though. Probably not getting a bunch of sacks from the tackles that give up 2 sacks a year.

(Yesterday, 11:49 AM)Soonerpeace Wrote: Probably but it’s hard to know the particulars. But he’s in a mess 

Is he? All he has to do is sign the $28 million per the Bengals offerred.

Or, get them up to $30 and sign it. Seems it can still work out.

(05-21-2025, 11:38 PM)Nicomo Cosca Wrote: Now go do everyone else’s numbers against lesser competition. Hell, Garrett and Watt have been fattening up against the Bengals OL for years.

Yeah. Isn't it funny how people dig deep to find reason's why someone isn't as good as someone else, or isn't worth X?

Trey's job is to get the QB on the ground. That said, it's not like he has 50% less of other stats compared to other EDs. The only thing he lacks in that regard is raw tackles. With that said, he's top 10 in 'stops' according to PFF and on PFR he's 6th in tackles for loss and 2nd in QB hits since '21. 

Hell, in raw combined tackles, he's still 23rd since '21. 

He doesn't need to be a better run defender to earn an elite contract. 
Miles Garrett is 12th in combined tackles since '21.
TJ Watt is 19th in combined tackles since '21.
Nick Bosa is 24th.
Joey Bosa is 40th.

(Yesterday, 02:14 PM)rfaulk34 Wrote: Yeah. Isn't it funny how people dig deep to find reason's why someone isn't as good as someone else, or isn't worth X?

Trey's job is to get the QB on the ground. That said, it's not like he has 50% less of other stats compared to other EDs. The only thing he lacks in that regard is raw tackles. With that said, he's top 10 in 'stops' according to PFF and on PFR he's 6th in tackles for loss and 2nd in QB hits since '21.

Hell, in raw combined tackles, he's still 23rd since '21. 

He doesn't need to be a better run defender to earn an elite contract. 
Miles Garrett is 12th in combined tackles since '21.
TJ Watt is 19th in combined tackles since '21.
Nick Bosa is 24th.
Joey Bosa is 40th.

Not diminishing the numbers (because they are legit), but stops = offensive failure: a stop on 3rd/4th down that doesn't equal a 1st down or a negative play (sack, TFL) is a stop, thus his sacks factor into this more than simply run tackles and the like.

As well, a sack counts as a TFL if it is at least 1 yard of a loss, thus the number is a bit misleading as well, as it doesn't separate actual tackles for loss (on a run or pass play) from sacks.

But I agree with everything you say :)

(Yesterday, 12:20 PM)THE PISTONS Wrote: Is he? All he has to do is sign the $28 million per the Bengals offerred.

Or, get them up to $30 and sign it. Seems it can still work out.

I think the Bengals have the upper hand and he’s not helping himself. Not that I’m blaming him just that he’s not got a lot of options. He’s not going to get top 5 money and a long term deal IMO.

(Yesterday, 04:53 PM)Soonerpeace Wrote: I think the Bengals have the upper hand and he’s not helping himself. Not that I’m blaming him just that he’s not got a lot of options. He’s not going to get top 5 money and a long term deal IMO.

And he's not helping his case by playing it out in the press.