(06-06-2025, 12:14 PM)Essex Johnson Wrote: It is not ludacris all you have to do is go back to st. Louis with ownership under Kroenke after he gained control within 3 years they were lining up leaving to larger market.. totally realistic could hapoen here, to think otherwise would be ludacris..

 LA is 2nd biggest market in the US there are no Markets close to to that magnitude in the United States.  Kroenke only moved to LA because it was a white whale of a market. If LA wasn't available he would have stayed in St.louis.

There is no current market that is a substantial improvement over Cincinnati either do to size or for cost reasons.  Then when you add the legal hoop that an ownership group would have go through(do to the Browns law in Ohio) + a relocation fee + a likley billion dollar settlement with Cincinnati.(see St.louis) I just don't see anyone willing doing that outside of Bezos, Musk, or the Saudi royal family.

(06-06-2025, 12:44 PM)J24 Wrote:  LA is 2nd biggest market in the US there are no Markets close to to that magnitude in the United States.  Kroenke only moved to LA because it was a white whale of a market. If LA wasn't available he would have stayed in St.louis.

There is no current market that is a substantial improvement over Cincinnati either do to size or for cost reasons.  Then when you add the legal hoop that an ownership group would have go through(do to the Browns law in Ohio) + a relocation fee + a likley billion dollar settlement with Cincinnati.(see St.louis) I just don't see anyone willing doing that outside of Bezos, Musk, or the Saudi royal family.

Of course he moved to larger market but, had friends in st louis, he  they knew he was taking them to any better market shortly after buying them..

(06-06-2025, 12:44 PM)J24 Wrote:  LA is 2nd biggest market in the US there are no Markets close to to that magnitude in the United States.  Kroenke only moved to LA because it was a white whale of a market. If LA wasn't available he would have stayed in St.louis.

There is no current market that is a substantial improvement over Cincinnati either do to size or for cost reasons.  Then when you add the legal hoop that an ownership group would have go through(do to the Browns law in Ohio) + a relocation fee + a likley billion dollar settlement with Cincinnati.(see St.louis) I just don't see anyone willing doing that outside of Bezos, Musk, or the Saudi royal family.

Yeah, that's what they thought in St. Louis, Cleveland, Baltimore, Houston too.... yet their teams all packed up and moved to greener pastures. Never say never. And there's San Antonio, the 7th largest city in the nation, just waiting....

(06-06-2025, 01:20 PM)Essex Johnson Wrote: Of course he moved to larger market but, had friends in st louis, he  they knew he was taking them to any better market shortly after buying them..

What market that's available is the equivalent to Los Angeles? What market is a no shit massive upgrade over Cincinnati?

(06-06-2025, 01:32 PM)Sled21 Wrote: Yeah, that's what they thought in St. Louis, Cleveland, Baltimore, Houston too.... yet their teams all packed up and moved to greener pastures. Never say never. And there's San Antonio, the 7th largest city in the nation, just waiting....

3 of those franchise's moved 30 to 40 years ago. 

There isn't a market like LA available. All the markets that are available are similar to Cincinnati 

San Antonio is 24 ranked Metropolitan area vs Cincinnati who is 30th.  San Antonio is the 31st TV market vs Cincinnati who's 37th. It's not a major difference between markets. Not to mention the Cowboys will make it hard for any team to go 

(06-06-2025, 02:49 PM)J24 Wrote: What market that's available is the equivalent to Los Angeles? What market is a no shit massive upgrade over Cincinnati?



3 of those franchise's moved 30 to 40 years ago. 

There isn't a market like LA available. All the markets that are available are similar to Cincinnati 

San Antonio is 24 ranked Metropolitan area vs Cincinnati who is 30th.  San Antonio is the 31st TV market vs Cincinnati who's 37th. It's not a major difference between markets. Not to mention the Cowboys will make it hard for any team to go 

A) Texas loves football B) Half of Texans hate the Cowboys C) Having teams in Dallas, Houston and San Antonio is a much more likely scenario that having teams in Miami, Jacksonville and Tampa Bay, yet there they are. 

(06-06-2025, 04:11 PM)Sled21 Wrote: A) Texas loves football B) Half of Texans hate the Cowboys C) Having teams in Dallas, Houston and San Antonio is a much more likely scenario that having teams in Miami, Jacksonville and Tampa Bay, yet there they are. 

A.) Ohio doesn't? 
B.)If you say so! The Cowboys are the #1 valuable franchise for a reason.
C ) what does this have to do with anything?

What makes Cincinnati such an awful market that you would  assume that a new owner would automatically move the franchise; instead of staying in Cincinnati?

(06-06-2025, 02:49 PM)J24 Wrote: What market that's available is the equivalent to Los Angeles? What market is a no shit massive upgrade over Cincinnati?



3 of those franchise's moved 30 to 40 years ago. 

There isn't a market like LA available. All the markets that are available are similar to Cincinnati 

San Antonio is 24 ranked Metropolitan area vs Cincinnati who is 30th.  San Antonio is the 31st TV market vs Cincinnati who's 37th. It's not a major difference between markets. Not to mention the Cowboys will make it hard for any team to go 

You seem to miss the point, outside owner comes in buys bengals  and starts looking for cities to build a more lucrative stadium, has hapoen before as i stated last would be st louia or even chargers work. My guess san antionio,  austin salt lake, okla city are realistic destitations

(06-07-2025, 12:01 PM)Essex Johnson Wrote: You seem to miss the point, outside owner comes in buys bengals  and starts looking for cities to build a more lucrative stadium, has hapoen before as i stated last would be st louia or even chargers work. My guess san antionio,  austin salt lake, okla city are realistic destitations

What makes Cincinnati such an awful place that a new owner would automatically move the team? 

(06-07-2025, 03:02 PM)J24 Wrote: What makes Cincinnati such an awful place that a new owner would automatically move the team? 

perception

(06-07-2025, 03:32 PM)pally Wrote: perception

By who? Who is saying that Cincinnati is not a NFL caliber Market?

(06-07-2025, 03:32 PM)pally Wrote: perception

The perception around the league us that the bengals with burrow and company have a pretty good window of winning the next 8-10 years..the perception of cincinnati is a greaft affordable city..nuce place to rause a family

(06-07-2025, 03:02 PM)J24 Wrote: What makes Cincinnati such an awful place that a new owner would automatically move the team? 

i was responding on it would never happen, not that it should happen but there are markets that a owner would make more $$

(06-08-2025, 10:35 PM)Essex Johnson Wrote: i was responding on it would never happen, not that it should happen but there are markets that a owner would make more $$

Not really. Surely not any of the cities you mentioned. 

OKC and Salt Lake are laughable suggestions.  San Antonio and St.Louis are slightly bigger metro and TV markets but neither are substantially better markets than Cincinnati.

Now,  if you want to go international with Mexico City, Toronto, or London then yeah those cities make a ton of sense from a market standpoint. However they also all have significant issues that hurt them in getting an NFL franchise.
Mexico City- Crime
London- Travel 
Toronto- Taxes

(06-07-2025, 03:02 PM)J24 Wrote: What makes Cincinnati such an awful place that a new owner would automatically move the team? 

You're conflating two different things. No one said Cincinnati is an awful place, but there are cities with more money per capita and would be willing to fund a new stadium. Saying a new owner would want to move to a better situation does not mean Cincy is an awful place. But face it, before Burrow, they struggled to sell out a 60K seat stadium. When Burrow is gone, my guess is so would a lot of the "new" fans who all of a sudden sell out the stadium. A deal's a deal, and if a new owner got a better deal elsewhere, they'd be gone in an instant. Be careful what you wish for. 

(06-06-2025, 04:27 PM)J24 Wrote: A.) Ohio doesn't? 
B.)If you say so! The Cowboys are the #1 valuable franchise for a reason.
C ) what does this have to do with anything?

What makes Cincinnati such an awful market that you would  assume that a new owner would automatically move the franchise; instead of staying in Cincinnati?

Because you keep asserting Texas is not a big enough place to support 3 NFL teams, yet right there in Florida there are three teams fairly close together.

(06-09-2025, 02:30 PM)Sled21 Wrote: You're conflating two different things. No one said Cincinnati is an awful place, but there are cities with more money per capita and would be willing to fund a new stadium. Saying a new owner would want to move to a better situation does not mean Cincy is an awful place. But face it, before Burrow, they struggled to sell out a 60K seat stadium. When Burrow is gone, my guess is so would a lot of the "new" fans who all of a sudden sell out the stadium. A deal's a deal, and if a new owner got a better deal elsewhere, they'd be gone in an instant. Be careful what you wish for. 

The reason why the Bengals were not selling out is because of Mike Brown poor ownership. From a market size standpoint Cincinnati is an excellent place for an NFL team. 

You cant disput this because facts are not on your side!

so according to the Hamilton County Commisioners meeting...these were the proposals as of April

-The Bengals want a 5 year lease for $1 million per year rent; The county wants the lease to be for 15 years with a 5 year option at the same $1 million
-The one-page Bengals term sheet calls for the county to spend $308 million over the next two years on maintenance and upgrades, and then the county would put another $300 million in the stadium starting in 2028. That would be short of $830 mm total two sides say needed; The county wants to pay $260 million, with the state of Ohio kicking in $350 million, and the team would pay $120 million through a loan from the NFL.
-Bengals also asking for city of Cincinnati to offer up half of all tax revenue (earnings and admissions tax primarily) from Paycor to cover operations and maintenance
-County also wants more say into booking non-football events at Paycor with third-party booking agent, as well as more access to stadium for other events.
-Also asking to include non-relocation clause in new lease - current lease has that as well. Would also start long-term study on if/when to build a new stadium.

(Yesterday, 02:32 PM)pally Wrote: so according to the Hamilton County Commisioners meeting...these were the proposals as of April

-The Bengals want a 5 year lease for $1 million per year rent; The county wants the lease to be for 15 years with a 5 year option at the same $1 million
-The one-page Bengals term sheet calls for the county to spend $308 million over the next two years on maintenance and upgrades, and then the county would put another $300 million in the stadium starting in 2028.  That would be short of $830 mm total two sides say needed; The county wants to pay $260 million, with the state of Ohio kicking in $350 million, and the team would pay $120 million through a loan from the NFL.
-Bengals also asking for city of Cincinnati to offer up half of all tax revenue (earnings and admissions tax primarily) from Paycor to cover operations and maintenance
-County also wants more say into booking non-football events at Paycor with third-party booking agent, as well as more access to stadium for other events.
-Also asking to include non-relocation clause in new lease - current lease has that as well. Would also start long-term study on if/when to build a new stadium.

It is interesting. Bengals are in more of a time crunch to make a decision. I don't see Bengals agreeing to 15 year lease with a clause they can't relocate. That is a very import lever the team would be giving up.