(Yesterday, 01:00 PM)Nepa Wrote: Shemar's agent also doesn't seem like he's going to budge. Not when he goes after Duke Tobin personally ("above his pay grade"). Sounds like the agent is trying to let the world know he is the big dog and increase his public profile --all at the expense of Shemar. If the agent, or Shemar, doesn't give, I don't see this ending well for the agent, who could lose his client millions.  Todd McShay was already saying before the draft that NFL teams had concerns about this agent.

I looked up his history, he not doing well as agent, I feel the Bengals are in the right here with what he is demanding 

(Yesterday, 04:14 PM)rfaulk34 Wrote: Jokes on you! Got some vintage Little Kings on ice, dude. 

Three for a dollar at Poopeotzies in Richmond, KY circa 1981

(Yesterday, 01:13 PM)TecmoBengals Wrote: The shitty part of it unfolding this is way is the 17th pick was wasted instead of being used to contribute to winning ball.

It is what it is. Sucks, but time to move on and find someone else. At this point I think it's addition by subtraction. I'm not sure I want him in the locker room.

(Yesterday, 02:30 PM)TheLeonardLeap Wrote:

Love it.

(Yesterday, 04:08 PM)TecmoBengals Wrote: I bet you're just drinking cheap beer out of a can.

Got me some Pabst Blue Ribbon yesterday, good stuff.

(Yesterday, 05:02 PM)Sled21 Wrote: It is what it is. Sucks, but time to move on and find someone else. At this point I think it's addition by subtraction. I'm not sure I want him in the locker room.

Agree sadly, Shemar sounds like just as much of a head case as Jermaine from last year except Jermaine has made a bit of a turn around.

Anyone that doesn't want to sign a contract because he might get into trouble has got to be a bit of a trouble maker I would think.

(Yesterday, 05:02 PM)Sled21 Wrote: It is what it is. Sucks, but time to move on and find someone else. At this point I think it's addition by subtraction. I'm not sure I want him in the locker room.

Trading him for another team's second round selection seems like it'd be a coup at this point. I support your line of thinking. Sometimes they come off as being too soft or desperate to be proven right about their draft picks. Are championship teams built out of guys who punch their coaches, slap women, cry about ownership, etc.? In hindsight they should've immediately cut bait with a lot of those guys. It's not like they reaped some prolific reward after being embarrassed by the conduct of their players over and over again. Jimmy Johnson roster building 101: Don't fall in love with your players. 

(Yesterday, 05:40 PM)Bilbo Saggins Wrote: Trading him for another team's second round selection seems like it'd be a coup at this point. I support your line of thinking. Sometimes they come off as being too soft or desperate to be proven right about their draft picks. Are championship teams built out of guys who punch their coaches, slap women, cry about ownership, etc.? In hindsight they should've immediately cut bait with a lot of those guys. It's not like they reaped some prolific reward after being embarrassed by the conduct of their players over and over again. Jimmy Johnson roster building 101: Don't fall in love with your players. 

Oh yeah, get what we can from the guy and move on.

The stealers won championships with scumbags though, we wouldn't get away with it lol

It's strictly up to Stewart how much he wants to play this year, as he likely will have to find a new agent.
Bengals aren't going to budge much.

How much longer are folks ok with Stewart holding out before they want to see Stewart traded or just allowed to reenter the draft next year?
I know my answer, but I'm probably jaded because of my opinion of the pick to begin with back in April.

(Yesterday, 05:37 PM)Nate (formerly eliminate08) Wrote: Got me some Pabst Blue Ribbon yesterday, good stuff.

Frank approved.

(Yesterday, 05:40 PM)Nate (formerly eliminate08) Wrote: Agree sadly, Shemar sounds like just as much of a head case as Jermaine from last year except Jermaine has made a bit of a turn around.

Anyone that doesn't want to sign a contract because he might get into trouble has got to be a bit of a trouble maker I would think.

Possibly, or he may have zero confidence in his abilities to merit a second NFL contract, and he just wants to make sure that he gets every possible dollar that he can. See, this is why I hate selecting guys off of "athletic potential" and "measurables". Just stick to guys who were sound performers facing tough competition and you'll have a solid roster of guys that not only can play, but are battle tested and have stable minds and personalities. (for the most part)

(Yesterday, 07:25 PM)SunsetBengal Wrote: Possibly, or he may have zero confidence in his abilities to merit a second NFL contract, and he just wants to make sure that he gets every possible dollar that he can.

Based on what he is seeing now, he can ball out and still have contract issues. Trey plays the same position, did great and is unhappy with the dealings. Why would Stewart think it may be different for him when his rookie contract is not coming out how he likes it?

I’m not saying Stewart hasn’t signed because of the Trey situation, but pretty sure they watch the news, as well.

(Yesterday, 09:51 AM)WeezyBengal Wrote: It is different than Mims'. There is language in there that they are trying to make standard on all rookie contracts that wasn't in Mims' contract. 

Regardless, it's not "new" when it comes to other teams. It's just new to the Bengals. Sehmar and his agent are just being ridiculous about it. 

Kinda what I was implying

Can the Bengals even trade him without a contract signed?

Bengals FO is caught flat footed. And it dates back to the draft. No pre draft visit to get to know if he was the type to hold out. And not getting a good feel of ones character or personality Leeds to these……. Misunderstandings.

(Yesterday, 05:40 PM)Nate (formerly eliminate08) Wrote: Agree sadly, Shemar sounds like just as much of a head case as Jermaine from last year except Jermaine has made a bit of a turn around.

Anyone that doesn't want to sign a contract because he might get into trouble has got to be a bit of a trouble maker I would think.

Nate, if you recall, Burton's struggles started with him not studying his playbook. Even Burrow called him out on it. If you don't know the play, where to line-up, which route to run - you are a liability.

My concern is that Shemar may pose the same risk. A DE's playbook is not as complex as a QB, WR or a S, but you still have to know each play called, where to line up (4i, 5, 7), which play is a stunt, when to drop-back, etc. 

And the sad part is that we will never know how much his lack of on field participation has hurt his development. If he gets 6 sacks this year, some will say that is a good output. But will we ever know how many sacks and pressures he would have if he was involved with the Team early to learn the system and work on a counter to his speed and long arm power?

Given that NFL is not a clinical trial, where you have a comparator arm so you can ascertain a difference between the two interventions - there is no parallel universe where Shemar is fully invested in the Team after draft. 
  

(Yesterday, 07:25 PM)SunsetBengal Wrote: Possibly, or he may have zero confidence in his abilities to merit a second NFL contract, and he just wants to make sure that he gets every possible dollar that he can. See, this is why I hate selecting guys off of "athletic potential" and "measurables". Just stick to guys who were sound performers facing tough competition and you'll have a solid roster of guys that not only can play, but are battle tested and have stable minds and personalities. (for the most part)

Agreed. And these guys who are drafted based on potential only, are the ones who really need development to reach that potential. 

I know I am stating the obvious, but when I read some posted comments stating that he will be signed and be here at some point and all will be well - I get frustrated. 

(Yesterday, 07:55 PM)Destro Wrote: Based on what he is seeing now, he can ball out and still have contract issues. Trey plays the same position, did great and is unhappy with the dealings. Why would Stewart think it may be different for him when his rookie contract is not coming out how he likes it?

I’m not saying Stewart hasn’t signed because of the Trey situation, but pretty sure they watch the news, as well.

That has no bearing on rookie deals. They are slotted with a max value that is all guaranteed over the life of the contract. There are situations that allow the team to discontinue paying for a player that might not be available because of his own actions. Should a team be forced to pay for a guy that can't be available to the team due to actions of his own? I mean injuries happen and he should still get paid, but for example bad behavior like buying a supercar and causing harm to others like a recent case shouldn't hold the team on the hook.

(Yesterday, 08:04 PM)QueenCity Wrote: Can the Bengals even trade him without a contract signed?

They can trade his rights.  They have until 30 days before first regular season game.  I'm guessing any agreed upon trade would include some form of promise that he would sign with the team acquiring his rights.  

After that deadline as I understand it even if he signs say mid August, he can't be traded this season. 

(Yesterday, 08:09 PM)jj22 Wrote: Bengals FO is caught flat footed. And it dates back to the draft. No pre draft visit to get to know if he was the type to hold out. And not getting a good feel of ones character or personality Leeds to these……. Misunderstandings.

No... They got caught being the Bengals FO. Same one that had zero problem with Pacman Jones running amuck a decade ago (even let him suit up again after the Joey Porter incident), and even brought him back to be the ruler of the jungle, but now they're dying on this hill with a kid.

And lemme get this right... An absolute dumpster fire of a defense from last year, with no influx of talent is gonna be better this year because of Al Golden?

They seriously need to throw Stewart a bone, get him signed, and do the same with Trey. I almost can't with this organization.

(Yesterday, 08:32 PM)jason Wrote: No... They got caught being the Bengals FO. Same one that had zero problem with Pacman Jones running amuck a decade ago (even let him suit up again after the Joey Porter incident), and even brought him back to be the ruler of the jungle, but now they're dying on this hill with a kid.

And lemme get this right... An absolute dumpster fire of a defense from last year, with no influx of talent is gonna be better this year because of Al Golden?

They seriously need to throw Stewart a bone, get him signed, and do the same with Trey. I almost can't with this organization.

Meh, say what you will about Adam Jones, but the dude was always nothing but an absolute DOG on the field. Give me that 2015 secondary over this over drafted bunch any given Sunday.

(Yesterday, 07:25 PM)SunsetBengal Wrote: Possibly, or he may have zero confidence in his abilities to merit a second NFL contract, and he just wants to make sure that he gets every possible dollar that he can. See, this is why I hate selecting guys off of "athletic potential" and "measurables". Just stick to guys who were sound performers facing tough competition and you'll have a solid roster of guys that not only can play, but are battle tested and have stable minds and personalities. (for the most part)

Brown says he’s perplexed as the stipulation in the contract implies a major incident. Would not surprise me if it includes in his past. These players with their women either are indeed abusive or get bit with falsehoods as the women see a payday. But I’m darn sure convinced his 29 year old agent is trying to make a name for himself at Shemar’s expense. His agent wants the label I got the toughest ownership group to buckle. I said this earlier he’s 29 and has a small representation. Like 9 players. If you can’t see the tea leaves ( not you) I can’t help people. But again like Burton… Stewart’s agent had a history. The Bengals thought rookie deal easy peazey. Oh well. Wake up guys.