(08-21-2025, 10:11 PM)THE PISTONS Wrote: Who knows if this is legit, but rumors Bengals and Seahawks talking Hendrickson for Walker straight up:

https://x.com/NFLonBread/status/1958235708646113286

I'd be disappointed in that.

No way this is real. That would be an absolutely miserable trade. 

(08-21-2025, 10:13 PM)KillerGoose Wrote: No way this is real. That would be an absolutely miserable trade. 

Its a parody account 

They’re not trading him for a RB.

I've heard Las Vegas is interested in meeting our trade demands for Trey...

(Yesterday, 12:12 AM)sandwedge Wrote: I've heard Las Vegas is interested in meeting our trade demands for Trey...

Tyree Wison and Charles Grant would be solid young talent on the lines.  They had Grant in for a visit and can kick inside to guard.  Wilson was blocked but played well at the end of the year.  The Bengals can afford to ask for both and say a 4th and see if they blink.  We need Trey to contend but we also send a ripple through the team's moral if we get picks and no help today. 

One last preseason game Saturday.  I don't think anything happens until that is over.  Then there is time between preseason and start of season.  Not just the Bengals, but just about every NFL team has key players needing signed or traded.  It makes it hard for those of us in Fantasy Football, because a lot of NFL players are in question as to where they are playing and if they are playing start of season.  

What happened with Parsons and Watt and others holding out, did they ever get signed.  It could be DE's have raised their price tag, but NFL teams aren't buying.  

I'll be glad when preseason over this weekend. Time to get ready to play At Cleveland and for real, with or without Hendrickson. If Hendrickson was injured, the team could not just roll over and play dead.   The upside is Cleveland is not as good as Philly or Washington. I like Bengals chances in that one, not that it will be easy, just that I like Bengals chances in that one.

This is possible.  Like Carson Palmer in 2011, if Hendrickson is still sitting out and misses Cleveland game. That means he doesn't get paid and Mike Brown puts that money back in the bank account.  This goes each week until Hendrickson plays or some team offers a first round pick as when a team in need offered a first round for Carson Palmer after sitting out a few games.  Other teams may get injuries, and some come running to Bengals with a first round pick. In mean time, Mike Brown just takes the money each week to Hendrickson and puts it back in the bank as he did with Carson Palmer.  This is possible, Mike Brown has done it before. So a Hendrickson trade may not happen until almost October or before trade deadline.  It is possible.  Of we wake up one day to find Hendrickson is going to play for Bengals.  

(Yesterday, 01:08 AM)kevin Wrote: This is possible.  Like Carson Palmer in 2011, if Hendrickson is still sitting out and misses Cleveland game. That means he doesn't get paid and Mike Brown puts that money back in the bank account.  This goes each week until Hendrickson plays or some team offers a first round pick as when a team in need offered a first round for Carson Palmer after sitting out a few games.  Other teams may get injuries, and some come running to Bengals with a first round pick. In mean time, Mike Brown just takes the money each week to Hendrickson and puts it back in the bank as he did with Carson Palmer.  This is possible, Mike Brown has done it before. So a Hendrickson trade may not happen until almost October or before trade deadline.  It is possible.  Of we wake up one day to find Hendrickson is going to play for Bengals.  

If Trey sits out, Bengals get 950K back to the cap each week also. It is money that can't be rescinded by the team per league rules.

(08-21-2025, 06:56 PM)bfine32 Wrote: I'd imagine OBJ will be wanting a little more Cheddar, and we might want some loot to sign a big-name. WTS, they should give Trey 2 years guaranteed 

My understanding is he wants guarantees all three years.

(Yesterday, 08:29 AM)Sled21 Wrote: My understanding is he wants guarantees all three years.

I think if true, how much in guarantees in year 3. For me, it should be no more than 10 million. I can understand why the team is balking ifhe wants all 3 years fully guarateed.

(Yesterday, 01:08 AM)kevin Wrote: One last preseason game Saturday.  I don't think anything happens until that is over.  Then there is time between preseason and start of season.  Not just the Bengals, but just about every NFL team has key players needing signed or traded.  It makes it hard for those of us in Fantasy Football, because a lot of NFL players are in question as to where they are playing and if they are playing start of season.  

What happened with Parsons and Watt and others holding out, did they ever get signed.  It could be DE's have raised their price tag, but NFL teams aren't buying.  

I'll be glad when preseason over this weekend. Time to get ready to play At Cleveland and for real, with or without Hendrickson. If Hendrickson was injured, the team could not just roll over and play dead.   The upside is Cleveland is not as good as Philly or Washington. I like Bengals chances in that one, not that it will be easy, just that I like Bengals chances in that one.

This is possible.  Like Carson Palmer in 2011, if Hendrickson is still sitting out and misses Cleveland game. That means he doesn't get paid and Mike Brown puts that money back in the bank account.  This goes each week until Hendrickson plays or some team offers a first round pick as when a team in need offered a first round for Carson Palmer after sitting out a few games.  Other teams may get injuries, and some come running to Bengals with a first round pick. In mean time, Mike Brown just takes the money each week to Hendrickson and puts it back in the bank as he did with Carson Palmer.  This is possible, Mike Brown has done it before. So a Hendrickson trade may not happen until almost October or before trade deadline.  It is possible.  Of we wake up one day to find Hendrickson is going to play for Bengals.  

With Trey, it's apparently sheerly an issue of guaranteed money. The Bengals won't go over 1 year supposedly.

Parsons is still holding out. Watt signed.

(Yesterday, 08:31 AM)Luvnit2 Wrote: I think if true, how much in guarantees in year 3. For me, it should be no more than 10 million. I can understand why the team is balking ifhe wants all 3 years fully guarateed.

So, I have a question about guaranteed money. Is it paid up front in a signing bonus? Or can it be guaranteed and paid over the other years?

(Yesterday, 08:31 AM)Luvnit2 Wrote: I think if true, how much in guarantees in year 3. For me, it should be no more than 10 million. I can understand why the team is balking ifhe wants all 3 years fully guarateed.

It's all market driven.   The others got guaranteed contracts so that's what he wants.    In January we might have avoided this by giving him the amount he was asking and guaranteeing a year.

This is what happens when you drag things out

(Yesterday, 09:20 AM)THE PISTONS Wrote: So, I have a question about guaranteed money. Is it paid up front in a signing bonus? Or can it be guaranteed and paid over the other years?

When talking about Year X guarantee desires it's not about cap hits/accounting (as that's team-side stuff), but cash flow/payments (which is the player-side numbers).

Signing bonuses are just Year 1 guarantees.

This feels like the Chris Jones thing with the Chiefs a couple years ago, to me.

I think Trey will sit out the first couple games of the season. I think they will get a deal done, but I do think it will take him missing a game or two for them to get it done.

(Yesterday, 09:55 AM)WeezyBengal Wrote: This feels like the Chris Jones thing with the Chiefs a couple years ago, to me.

I think Trey will sit out the first couple games of the season. I think they will get a deal done, but I do think it will take him missing a game or two for them to get it done.

I think there's a big difference between the two situations. Trey isn't trying to leap past the top of the market by nearly 30% like Chris Jones did.

Chris Jones zipped right past the entire IDL market. Last year there were 3 guys in the $24-24.5m/yr range and then Chris Jones came in at $31.75m/yr. Even now in 2025 the 2nd highest paid IDL is at $26m/yr with Chris Jones still way ahead of him. 

It shouldn't be equally as hard to get a deal done with a guy who is only asking for market value as it was for a guy who wanted 30% above market value.

(Yesterday, 10:24 AM)TheLeonardLeap Wrote: I think there's a big difference between the two situations. Trey isn't trying to leap past the top of the market by nearly 30% like Chris Jones did.

Chris Jones zipped right past the entire IDL market. Last year there were 3 guys in the $24-24.5m/yr range and then Chris Jones came in at $31.75m/yr. Even now in 2025 the 2nd highest paid IDL is at $26m/yr with Chris Jones still way ahead of him. 

It shouldn't be equally as hard to get a deal done with a guy who is only asking for market value as it was for a guy who wanted 30% above market value.

Yea, you can’t compare Trey Hendrickson to Chris jones. That would
Be like comparing Terry mclaurin to jamaar chase.

I don’t think Hendrickson will sit out games. I may be wrong, but that just doesn’t seem feasible for him.

The market has spoken/is speaking. If he was as valued as he thinks he is, he would be on another team by now. He is a great pass rusher, who is at 30. The diminishing returns are concerning. If he was 2/3 as good against the run as he is rushing the passer, he would have signed an extension or have been traded by now.

(Yesterday, 10:38 AM)Bengalbug Wrote: Yea, you can’t compare Trey Hendrickson to Chris jones.  That would
Be like comparing Terry mclaurin to jamaar chase.

I don’t think Hendrickson will sit out games.  I may be wrong, but that just doesn’t seem feasible for him.

The market has spoken/is speaking.  If he was as valued as he thinks he is, he would be on another team by now.  He is a great pass rusher, who is at 30.  The diminishing returns are concerning. If he was 2/3 as good against the run as he is rushing the passer, he would have signed an extension or have been traded by now.

LOL

That's not how that works at all, man.

You basically just said "If a historically stubborn old man who doesn't want to pay you your actual value and doesn't want to trade you hasn't paid you or traded you, you're not valuable?" Absolutely terrible and illogical take.

(Yesterday, 10:43 AM)TheLeonardLeap Wrote: LOL

That's not how that works at all, man.

You basically just said "If a historically stubborn old man who doesn't want to pay you your actual value and doesn't want to trade you hasn't paid you or traded you, you're not valuable?" Absolutely terrible and illogical take.

He is not valued in the same tier as Garrett, Watt, Crosby.

(Yesterday, 10:43 AM)TheLeonardLeap Wrote: LOL

That's not how that works at all, man.

You basically just said "If a historically stubborn old man who doesn't want to pay you your actual value and doesn't want to trade you hasn't paid you or traded you, you're not valuable?" Absolutely terrible and illogical take.

But the stubborn old man has agreed to pay him his actual value. He's just not wanting to guarantee that salary for three years on a 30 year old Defensive End, who although led the league in sacks, has never cracked any top 5 DE list I've seen. Just kind of shows the Bengals are correct when they pointed out to him he got most of his sacks in just a few games last year.

(Yesterday, 10:24 AM)TheLeonardLeap Wrote: I think there's a big difference between the two situations. Trey isn't trying to leap past the top of the market by nearly 30% like Chris Jones did.

Chris Jones zipped right past the entire IDL market. Last year there were 3 guys in the $24-24.5m/yr range and then Chris Jones came in at $31.75m/yr. Even now in 2025 the 2nd highest paid IDL is at $26m/yr with Chris Jones still way ahead of him. 

It shouldn't be equally as hard to get a deal done with a guy who is only asking for market value as it was for a guy who wanted 30% above market value.

Im talking about how their holdouts are going to go/end. 

Im not talking about specifics or the money involved. I am just talking about the process.