(Yesterday, 02:00 PM)samhain Wrote: How far do you have to sink to go from being a fan of the team to being an actual fan of this ownership group.  It's next level bootlicking.  

People who compare contributions of billionaires (billionaires via inheritance, not self-made ones in this case) to what dudes on a fan message board do with their lives have some very strange ideas about proportion and the nature of reality.  A less neutral description would be infantile.  

It's not hard to throw cash around when you're enter the world with an Uncle Scrooge style money bin.  But yeah, it's all due to their virtuous nature and love for the community.  You should be a comedian, Sled.

Also, guarantee that any dime of anything that family has given to the community was done for a tax write-off.  

Well I would tell you what I really want to type, but it would just get me banned. In actuality, I could care less about the Brown family one way or the other. The statement was made they did nothing for the community, and were only concerned with their own wallet. I countered with FACTS about how much they donate to the community. Now you want to change it to "well, they only do it for the tax write off," "and it's not hard to throw money around when you're rich" Bootlicking be damned, some of you are so eaten up with Brown Derangement Syndrome you have to work overtime to twist your arguments.
 

Trey is under control for the next 3 years..the Bengals have all control...he either signs with us or gets tagged...the Bengals have offered a reasonable contract extending him for 2 more years past 2025...they are not trading him this year

(Yesterday, 07:47 PM)Sled21 Wrote: Well I would tell you what I really want to type, but it would just get me banned. In actuality, I could care less about the Brown family one way or the other. The statement was made they did nothing for the community, and were only concerned with their own wallet. I countered with FACTS about how much they donate to the community. Now you want to change it to "well, they only do it for the tax write off," "and it's not hard to throw money around when you're rich" Bootlicking be damned, some of you are so eaten up with Brown Derangement Syndrome you have to work overtime to twist your arguments.
 

We're fairly clear-eyed.  You see a well-intentioned, aw shucks downtrodden billionaire family with the worst "luck" imaginable since the death of the patriarch.  Just a happy accident that they are always getting busted out for bending over backwards for a dime.  Like multiple times a year for actual decades. Constantly in conflict with star players that fans like you paint as mean old jocks just trying to hurt the Brown Family Charitable Community Trust for Starving Kids and 3 Legged Dogs.  
But yeah, it's the "haters" that have it wrong. Definitely no pattern here.
What are you going to do to defend them when the alienate the best player ever to wear stripes this offseason and he starts to want out after 3 straight non-playoff seasons.
Don't worry Sled.  It'll be okay.  The family will still be worth 5-6 billion whether or not Joe wants to be here.  

If anything we've graded the family on a curve since the Marvin era.  They get major kudos for crap normal teams have done forever.  Ring of Honor, Indoor practice facility (temporary), hiring one or two freaking scouts when other teams have 30.  Actually cutting players with dead money when they are physically through.  Singing B tier outside FAS.  Winning an actual playoff game for the first time in 3 freakking decades.  Always big applause like a parent gives their D student kid when he makes 5 C's and a B minus.  It's a goddamned miracle!  The hater crap is a figment of your imagination.  We're all ready for them to act like a real NFL organization.  I don't get why folks like you are content for them to remain average.  Quit treating them like bumpkins.  They're billionaires that would look down their noses at you if they saw you walking down the street.

(Yesterday, 09:52 PM)samhain Wrote: We're fairly clear-eyed.  You see a well-intentioned, aw shucks downtrodden billionaire family with the worst "luck" imaginable since the death of the patriarch.  Just a happy accident that they are always getting busted out for bending over backwards for a dime.  Like multiple times a year for actual decades. Constantly in conflict with star players that fans like you paint as mean old jocks just trying to hurt the Brown Family Charitable Community Trust for Starving Kids and 3 Legged Dogs.  
But yeah, it's the "haters" that have it wrong. Definitely no pattern here.
What are you going to do to defend them when the alienate the best player ever to wear stripes this offseason and he starts to want out after 3 straight non-playoff seasons.
Don't worry Sled.  It'll be okay.  The family will still be worth 5-6 billion whether or not Joe wants to be here.  

If anything we've graded the family on a curve since the Marvin era.  They get major kudos for crap normal teams have done forever.  Ring of Honor, Indoor practice facility (temporary), hiring one or two freaking scouts when other teams have 30.  Actually cutting players with dead money when they are physically through.  Singing B tier outside FAS.  Winning an actual playoff game for the first time in 3 freakking decades.  Always big applause like a parent gives their D student kid when he makes 5 C's and a B minus.  It's a goddamned miracle!  The hater crap is a figment of your imagination.  We're all ready for them to act like a real NFL organization.  I don't get why folks like you are content for them to remain average.  Quit treating them like bumpkins.  They're billionaires that would look down their noses at you if they saw you walking down the street.

It’s not like they can go back and right the wrongs man. They have been playing catch up like the practice facility, ring of honor and other things you mentioned. They won a playoff game in ZTs third year and burrows second season, in route to a Super Bowl win. Yes, they have missed the playoffs two years in a row, albeit one season was over after burrow got hurt. But even still, this team has played relevant January football for 4 years in a row.

I disagree that they look to remain average, I think they look to remain flexible (which can come off as cheap). But just look at a guy like Christian Wilkins, who was cut after one year and still is sitting on the market.

If you are still looking at the bengals as the same franchise as you did as the 90s, you always will. People change, teams change. Obviously there are tendencies that will always creep up, it’s in their DNA… but I do think the bengals have made a (much) better effort since Zac has been here.

Go be a cowboys fan, and tell me when it’s better than being a bengals fan.

Point is, every franchise/team goes through whatever shade you are throwing at the (current) bengals. The pats were the king of the hill, unprecedented, for two decades, but now they are building back up.

You seriously can’t be holding on to 90s like it’s relevant to today. That’s weird, and nothing to back up that claim.

(Yesterday, 09:52 PM)samhain Wrote: We're fairly clear-eyed.  You see a well-intentioned, aw shucks downtrodden billionaire family with the worst "luck" imaginable since the death of the patriarch.  Just a happy accident that they are always getting busted out for bending over backwards for a dime.  Like multiple times a year for actual decades. Constantly in conflict with star players that fans like you paint as mean old jocks just trying to hurt the Brown Family Charitable Community Trust for Starving Kids and 3 Legged Dogs.  
But yeah, it's the "haters" that have it wrong. Definitely no pattern here.
What are you going to do to defend them when the alienate the best player ever to wear stripes this offseason and he starts to want out after 3 straight non-playoff seasons.
Don't worry Sled.  It'll be okay.  The family will still be worth 5-6 billion whether or not Joe wants to be here.  

If anything we've graded the family on a curve since the Marvin era.  They get major kudos for crap normal teams have done forever.  Ring of Honor, Indoor practice facility (temporary), hiring one or two freaking scouts when other teams have 30.  Actually cutting players with dead money when they are physically through.  Singing B tier outside FAS.  Winning an actual playoff game for the first time in 3 freakking decades.  Always big applause like a parent gives their D student kid when he makes 5 C's and a B minus.  It's a goddamned miracle!  The hater crap is a figment of your imagination.  We're all ready for them to act like a real NFL organization.  I don't get why folks like you are content for them to remain average.  Quit treating them like bumpkins.  They're billionaires that would look down their noses at you if they saw you walking down the street.

I really feel bad for you. Your ignorance is unbelievable....Of course it's a write off, just like 350 million other people do when they fill out their tax forms.. 
Let's not forget what they did for Devin Still and his daughter. The cruel old miser kept him on the payroll so her medical bill could be paid...

(Yesterday, 09:52 PM)samhain Wrote: We're fairly clear-eyed.  You see a well-intentioned, aw shucks downtrodden billionaire family with the worst "luck" imaginable since the death of the patriarch.  Just a happy accident that they are always getting busted out for bending over backwards for a dime.  Like multiple times a year for actual decades. Constantly in conflict with star players that fans like you paint as mean old jocks just trying to hurt the Brown Family Charitable Community Trust for Starving Kids and 3 Legged Dogs.  
But yeah, it's the "haters" that have it wrong. Definitely no pattern here.
What are you going to do to defend them when the alienate the best player ever to wear stripes this offseason and he starts to want out after 3 straight non-playoff seasons.
Don't worry Sled.  It'll be okay.  The family will still be worth 5-6 billion whether or not Joe wants to be here.  

If anything we've graded the family on a curve since the Marvin era.  They get major kudos for crap normal teams have done forever.  Ring of Honor, Indoor practice facility (temporary), hiring one or two freaking scouts when other teams have 30.  Actually cutting players with dead money when they are physically through.  Singing B tier outside FAS.  Winning an actual playoff game for the first time in 3 freakking decades.  Always big applause like a parent gives their D student kid when he makes 5 C's and a B minus.  It's a goddamned miracle!  The hater crap is a figment of your imagination.  We're all ready for them to act like a real NFL organization.  I don't get why folks like you are content for them to remain average.  Quit treating them like bumpkins.  They're billionaires that would look down their noses at you if they saw you walking down the street.

Don't try to tell me what I see, you're just making a fool out of yourself. As I've said before, this isn't even about the Brown family, I couldn't give two cents about them. It's a horrible look for Boomer and you BDS people who blame the FO for everything jumped all over it. When your kids got married (if you have any, I don't know, but it's a scenario) did you rent hotel rooms for every guest you invited to come celebrate the new couple? Boomer is not being honored, Dave and Lemar are. He just had to make it about himself, and that whole conversation he had on that show was pre-scripted. You could tell. He planned it. 

(2 hours ago)Sled21 Wrote: Don't try to tell me what I see, you're just making a fool out of yourself. As I've said before, this isn't even about the Brown family, I couldn't give two cents about them. It's a horrible look for Boomer and you BDS people who blame the FO for everything jumped all over it. When your kids got married (if you have any, I don't know, but it's a scenario) did you rent hotel rooms for every guest you invited to come celebrate the new couple? Boomer is not being honored, Dave and Lemar are. He just had to make it about himself, and that whole conversation he had on that show was pre-scripted. You could tell. He planned it. 

Does Boomer have to buy a ticket for the game, then.

(Yesterday, 08:47 PM)spazz70 Wrote: Trey is under control for the next 3 years..the Bengals have all control...he either signs with us or gets tagged...the Bengals have offered a reasonable contract extending him for 2 more years past 2025...they are not trading him this year

Franchise tagging him at top dollar price if he isn't playing would be a stupid waste of cap money space.  Also, if he isn't playing, trading him for draft picks as they did Carson Palmer is a good move, because at least they get something in return.   So never say never that they won't trade him this year.  If Trey is still not playing going into October, then trade his butt for draft pick in April.   If the franchise keeps him  and then tags him still sitting out, then this Bengals franchise is a bunch of Losers more concerned about making a stupid point than going back to Super Bowl. 

(Yesterday, 10:04 AM)Luvnit2 Wrote: EDIT 

Clowney is a top 75 player in free agency according to NFL.com, so hardly a cast off. He is unsigned. I think at the end of 2025 all of your naysaying will be debunked as we will make the playoffs and have another winning record, 5th year in a row. Sorry, it is not an easy feat to win in the NFL and in our case playing in one of the toughest divsions does not help. Bad FO don't have a winning record 5 years in a row.

Bengals could extend Trey, and he blows his knee out week 1. You would blame the team for his injury to make yourself look good.

We Agree.  However it may not be Clowney.  Za Daruis Smith is still an unsigned free agent of Detroit Lions, and he can play DE, DT and Nose Tackle. Just the diversity Coach Golden says he wants.  Is he as good as Hendrickson NO, but he should be easier to sign.   

The point the person arguing with you Luvnit2 is missing is this.   As bad as Bengals Defense is,  free agent players could come in here and do better.  There are good Defensive free agents in Front 7 and DB.  Plus cuts are coming Tuesday.  Now my counter argument to the person asking why would we want somebody cut by another team, is this.  Because some Defenses are better than Bengals.  A player who got cut by Super Bowl Defense Eagles may be plenty good enough for Bengals to give him a chance.  Again, Bengals got Horst Muhlmann because Chiefs had Jan Stenerud.  Chiefs got Len Dawson because Paul Brown in Cleveland cut him.  Bengals got good years out of Benson after Bears cut him.   Johnny Unitas was cut and struggling to find a team when Colts gave him a chance.  So do not Up Your Nose at the free agent market.  Some good players come as free agents, not just the draft.  In fact Coach George Allen preferred NFL free agents over draft rookies. 

Will there be free agents out there better than the players Bengals have on defense ?  Of course there will be.  

So Luvnit2,  I like your adding in that players are more of a bargain when signed after Week One.  Plus if Hendrickson not playing, Bengals have the cap money from Zac Moss, plus a million each week Trey doesn't play.  So WE AGREE to bring in players to help on Defense and maybe even O Line as some on here want also.  Trey not playing could end up Add By Subtraction, which Bengals have done before.  

To the person saying why would we want free agents ?  Because they are probably better than these bums now that couldn't make a tackle if they had to.  Also because you need to build a team around Burrow to Chase and Higgins with Brown at RB.  Players brought in early in the season, could just get this team looking good on a run to Super Bowl.  

I would like to see Trey playing, but it's not all about him. One monkey don't stop no show.  Oh Yes, we got Trey because Saints didn't want him.  Never Up Your Nose at the Free Agent players looking for a chance.  Again, Johnny Unitas was a free agent looking for a team when Colts got him.  I'm sure there will be free agents who could come in here and help this awful, awful defense.  How many know that on Bengals 1988 Super Bowl Team,  Right Tackle Joe Walter was Al Pro, and we got him from Canadian Football League.  So never Up Your Nose at brining in Free Agents. 

(2 hours ago)Sled21 Wrote: Don't try to tell me what I see, you're just making a fool out of yourself. As I've said before, this isn't even about the Brown family, I couldn't give two cents about them. It's a horrible look for Boomer and you BDS people who blame the FO for everything jumped all over it. When your kids got married (if you have any, I don't know, but it's a scenario) did you rent hotel rooms for every guest you invited to come celebrate the new couple? Boomer is not being honored, Dave and Lemar are. He just had to make it about himself, and that whole conversation he had on that show was pre-scripted. You could tell. He planned it. 

I can assure you, when I've attended weddings out of town for wealthy people that they absolutely paid for the guest hotel rooms.  And by wealthy I mean with means, but means nowhere near the Brown family's 5 billion.  Not by a damn sight.  I guess they just don't view people they ask to be around as greedy parasites as the Browns do?

This team consistently ranks at the bottom for player and employee family experience.  Every single year.  People like you are complete zombies.  Any criticism of authority is (insert letter) DS.  Let's see if I can do it.

Here we go.  Sled had BDS.  It's Boomer derangement syndrome.  People like you just hate poor Boomer so much that you can't possible do anything but paint him negatively.  You couldn't possibly have an opinion formed over years of observation or experience, right?  See, I can do that lazy-ass shit, too.  Ain't I special?

(Today, 12:04 AM)sandwedge Wrote: I really feel bad for you. Your ignorance is unbelievable....Of course it's a write off, just like 350 million other people do when they fill out their tax forms.. 
Let's not forget what they did for Devin Still and his daughter. The cruel old miser kept him on the payroll so her medical bill could be paid...

Convenient how that highly publicized event gave people like you a leg to stand on when defending the cheap asses.  Wonder why they would do that.  You'll be bringing that one example up for the next 40 years as the one proof to try and negate ages of penny pinching.

(Yesterday, 11:20 PM)Bengalbug Wrote: It’s not like they can go back and right the wrongs man. They have been playing catch up like the practice facility, ring of honor and other things you mentioned.  They won a playoff game in ZTs third year and burrows second season, in route to a Super Bowl win.  Yes, they have missed the playoffs two years in a row, albeit one season was over after burrow got hurt.  But even still, this team has played relevant January football for 4 years in a row.  

I disagree that they look to remain average, I think they look to remain flexible (which can come off as cheap).  But just look at a guy like Christian Wilkins, who was cut after one year and still is sitting on the market.  

If you are still looking at the bengals as the same franchise as you did as the 90s, you always will.  People change, teams change.  Obviously there are tendencies that will always creep up, it’s in their DNA… but I do think the bengals have made a (much) better effort since Zac has been here.

Go be a cowboys fan, and tell me when it’s better than being a bengals fan.  

Point is, every franchise/team goes through whatever shade you are throwing at the (current) bengals.  The pats were the king of the hill, unprecedented, for two decades, but now they are building back up.

You seriously can’t be holding on to 90s like it’s relevant to today.  That’s weird, and nothing to back up that claim.

As I said, graded on a curve like a D student.  Did Carson quit the team in the 90's?  Is it a normal thing for fanbases to see highly compensated team centerpieces just quit football?  Did they hold on to the same coach for 16 years in the 90's despite continuous evidence that he couldn't win in the postseason?  No mention of any past greats in the 90's?  Did they piss 2 decent teams down their leg with zero playoff success int he 90's?  Crap facilities all the way into the late 2010's in he 90's?  Let me count.  90's end in I guess 2000, right?  Did they start making these changes in 2000?  

Most teams do not have 30 year playoff droughts and consistent reports of garbage treatment of employees by several generations of people with experience.