(01-08-2018, 06:04 PM)Essex Johnson Wrote: I like the move, seems to bring something we need turnovers by defense

Teryl Austin is a secondary specialist which would be terrific. Let’s be real for a moment: The Bengals have a weak secondary — not the players — but the scheme. It’s too loose and allows too many chunk plays. Dre Kirkpatrick, George Iloka, Darqueze Dennard, and William Jackson III are too talented to be held back by a substandard scheme.

I was on Detroit’s message board earlier and the Lions’ fans are sad to see Teryl Austin go. They thought he did a great job considering such meager talent he had to work with and they also thought coaching a talent-laden team like the Bengals was a good job to get.

(01-08-2018, 08:27 PM)McC Wrote: Marv made up his mind who he wanted and that was that.  This is how it's always been.  There's an opening and then it's filled.  When has there ever been an interview process for replacing coaches?  It's always just been an announcement of who was hired.

Alexander is the only thing different.

He made a good call on Zimmer.  What else can we do but hope he is right on this one?

Yeah but Zimmer's resume spoke for itself. This guy could wind up being great, but all I can go off of for now is the resume, and Austin's resume is "ok". 

(01-08-2018, 08:43 PM)Shake n Blake Wrote: Yeah but Zimmer's resume spoke for itself. This guy could wind up being great, but all I can go off of for now is the resume, and Austin's resume is "ok". 

There was never gonna be a long interview process where Merv saw a bunch of guys and picked the best one.  Merv doesn't do it that way.

This is Merv with all power, sink or swim.  And there will be some misery involved but it really is the only way to get rid of him.

I'll give him a shot. If he can fix our safety play, then that's a big deal. It's killed this defense for two straight years and much of it is communication-based.

I'm a bit underwhelmed by the "big changes" Marv told us about last week. Basically we brought a bunch of the same dudes back and took a downgrade at the WR coach spot. I've always thought Burney and Halsett were trash and really wanted both of those turds out. Hayes is fine. Lazor gets a mulligan, although I'd have liked somebody new.

(01-08-2018, 06:34 PM)McC Wrote: I know it's not a popular way of thinking these days but I'm willing to see what happens before I condemn the man.

(01-08-2018, 06:36 PM)Lqhybrid25 Wrote: That sums up about where I am with this team in general

We've been waiting and seeing for the past 25 years.......  it's time to put it out there and go get it.

I was originally upset with the hire, but now I'm starting to warm up to it.

He's a players' coach and his players seem to love him, which players will play their hearts out for coaches they love.  I also like that he seems to call defenses to his players strengths, rather than trying to fit a round peg into a square hole, so let's just hope that Marvin doesn't have any kind of influence on him and doesn't try to influence his situational play calls (the signature Marvin move of being up one or two touchdowns and going vanilla on play calling trying to prevent a big play, which allows them to drive down the field and score).

(01-08-2018, 08:18 PM)Shake n Blake Wrote: This feels weak and lazy. Kinda like the Zampese hire. They were passive, wanted Guenther back, then hired the first guy they interviewed? I mean, Austin can't be the greatest candidate out there, right? Why not interview someone else?

People are trying to spin things as so different, but it sure looks pretty status quo to me.

I'd agree but it might not be too bad (hoping).

That's typical for Mike Brown, but Marvin said he'll have more say, so maybe it's a guy he wanted?  And Marvin's a defensive guy, so I'll trust him if he wanted Austin.

Austin runs a man-to-man scheme, which I think benefits our talented young corners, and also runs some stunts with the line but also brings some blitzes.  

What I love about him is that he's unpredictable, which how many coordinators have we bitched about being predictable (every one of them on both sides of the ball under Marvin, even if they don't start out the game that way?  Maybe that's Marvin's doing, but let's hope that this is different)?

We have talent on defense, so let's hope that our defense can make some noise under him.

I'd love Derwin James on Austin's defense.

(01-08-2018, 08:49 PM)samhain Wrote: I'll give him a shot. If he can fix our safety play, then that's a big deal. It's killed this defense for two straight years and much of it is communication-based.

I'm a bit underwhelmed by the "big changes" Marv told us about last week. Basically we brought a bunch of the same dudes back and took a downgrade at the WR coach spot. I've always thought Burney and Halsett were trash and really wanted both of those turds out. Hayes is fine. Lazor gets a mulligan, although I'd have liked somebody new.

Burney is the best assistant coach we have, bar none.

The leap from mediocrity of the line and the development of young guys is more than enough proof.

(01-08-2018, 08:18 PM)Shake n Blake Wrote: This feels weak and lazy. Kinda like the Zampese hire. They were passive, wanted Guenther back, then hired the first guy they interviewed? I mean, Austin can't be the greatest candidate out there, right? Why not interview someone else?

People are trying to spin things as so different, but it sure looks pretty status quo to me.

Teryl pulled a Marvin.  He leaked that the raiders were interested so the bengals would offer the job.  

(01-08-2018, 08:55 PM)BenZoo2 Wrote: Teryl pulled a Marvin.  He leaked that the raiders were interested so the bengals would offer the job.  

Perhaps Marv sent him a text, with the instructions on how to get it done..

(01-08-2018, 08:30 PM)Fan_in_Kettering Wrote: I was on Detroit’s message board earlier and the Lions’ fans are sad to see Teryl Austin go.  They thought he did a great job considering such meager talent he had to work with and they also thought coaching a talent-laden team like the Bengals was a good job to get.

Agreed.  I liked the guy in Detroit and now he's coming here.  When the decision was made not to replace Merv, it became a make the best of it situation, tinkering instead of fixing.  This is a good tinkering.

Seems to have respect around league and body of work is better than last couple seasons.

Optimistic about move.

But for the record did not hate PG like some and wish him well.

Seems he wanted to go youth movement last year but Marvin nixed it.

Still, need new blood so welcome aboard Mr Austin.

He's not Guenther, therefore I cannot and will not complain.

Welcome to the jungle, Coach Austin

(01-08-2018, 08:55 PM)BenZoo2 Wrote: Teryl pulled a Marvin.  He leaked that the raiders were interested so the bengals would offer the job.  

(01-08-2018, 08:58 PM)SunsetBengal Wrote: Perhaps Marv sent him a text, with the instructions on how to get it done..

Lol maybe. Like Marv, this guy is from Pittsburgh and a former Ravens coach with a ring. They're probably good friends.

(01-08-2018, 10:08 PM)Shake n Blake Wrote: Lol maybe. Like Marv, this guy is from Pittsburgh and a former Ravens coach with a ring. They're probably good friends.

He's also a former Seahawks coach and a 49ers coach, and has rings from there as well....

For some reason Guenther never really impressed me.  We never made big stops on D, always gave up points before the half and couldn't get off the field on 3rd down to save our lives. Also every time we played vs. the Steelers we would never blitz and Big Ben would have all day to throw. I just hope Austin plays a more aggressive style feel like we played to soft on defense, giving up easy yards and playing not to lose. 

Honestly don’t know much about him and don’t remember the Lions having much on that side of the ball. I’m hoping for the best.

(01-08-2018, 08:30 PM)Fan_in_Kettering Wrote: Teryl Austin is a secondary specialist which would be terrific.  Let’s be real for a moment: The Bengals have a weak secondary — not the players — but the scheme.  It’s too loose and allows too many chunk plays. Dre Kirkpatrick, George Iloka, Darqueze Dennard, and William Jackson III are too talented to be held back by a substandard scheme.

I was on Detroit’s message board earlier and the Lions’ fans are sad to see Teryl Austin go.  They thought he did a great job considering such meager talent he had to work with and they also thought coaching a talent-laden team like the Bengals was a good job to get.

Yep, I’m not happy to see Marvin back but at least our two biggest issues scheme wise look like they will be addressed with a new DC and new o line coach. With a solid draft, those two changes could put this team back in the playoffs. Unfortunately Marvin and his unprepared, emotionless teams incapable of making halftime adjustments will inevitably show back up if they do make it back 

Anybody else see Hobson mention he’s a Pittsburgh “guy”?

http://m.bengals.com/s/30838/360?itemUri=1341131871/15912120663151090811444101111

(01-08-2018, 10:55 PM)leonardfan40 Wrote: Yep, I’m not happy to see Marvin back but at least our two biggest issues scheme wise look like they will be addressed with a new DC and new o line coach. With a solid draft, those two changes could put this team back in the playoffs. Unfortunately Marvin and his unprepared, emotionless teams incapable of making halftime adjustments will inevitably show back up if they do make it back 

You know what? I’m willing to give Marvin a second chance. He obviously secured more decision-making power so let’s see what he does with it. Marvin secured more power in 2009 and from 2009-2015 the Bengals made the playoffs 6 out of 7 seasons. I’m willing to overlook the 2016-2017 Ken Zampese + Paul Guenther years.

(01-08-2018, 11:09 PM)Fan_in_Kettering Wrote: You know what?  I’m willing to give Marvin a second chance.  He obviously secured more decision-making power so let’s see what he does with it.  Marvin secured more power in 2009 and from 2009-2015 the Bengals made the playoffs 6 out of 7 seasons.  I’m willing to overlook the 2016-2017 Ken Zampese + Paul Guenther years.

Wait brother, you're saying Marvin is responsible for the good years, but not responsible for the bad years? 

I mean, he got a second chance after 2010, and others after 2013, 2015 and 2017. Seems like a lot of chances.

As for this new power that he didn't have before, what exactly are you meaning? 

BTW, I agree with your post about Austin having an impact on the secondary.

(01-08-2018, 11:09 PM)Fan_in_Kettering Wrote: You know what? I’m willing to give Marvin a second chance. He obviously secured more decision-making power so let’s see what he does with it. Marvin secured more power in 2009 and from 2009-2015 the Bengals made the playoffs 6 out of 7 seasons. I’m willing to overlook the 2016-2017 Ken Zampese + Paul Guenther years.

Not to nitpick, but you accidentally typed "second chance" instead of sixteenth....you're welcome.